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mrmonavie22@gmail.com - 02 May 2009 19:27 GMT
I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com
nick markowitz - 02 May 2009 22:35 GMT
On May 2, 2:27 pm, mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote:
> I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com

Big deal i have been using wireless contacts to protect outside stuff
for years
mleuck - 12 May 2009 05:10 GMT
> On May 2, 2:27 pm, mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com
>
> Big deal i have been using wireless contacts to protect outside stuff
> for years

I emailed and called him today and was sent more information, it's
both hardwire and wireless. My local ADI had none in stock yet, around
$150
Robert L Bass - 13 May 2009 03:15 GMT
> I emailed and called him today and was sent more information, it's both
> hardwire and wireless. My local ADI had none in stock yet, around $150

You're paying too much.  They give high-volume clients better prices.  Perhaps
Monitronix doesn't order much.  :^)

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Robert L Bass

==============================>
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DIY Alarm and Home Automation Store
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Fax 941-870-3252
==============================>

mleuck - 13 May 2009 19:27 GMT
On May 12, 9:15 pm, "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com>
wrote:

> > I emailed and called him today and was sent more information, it's both
> > hardwire and wireless. My local ADI had none in stock yet, around $150
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Fax 941-870-3252
> ==============================>

Thats ADI's normal price not ours
Robert L Bass - 13 May 2009 20:29 GMT
> Thats ADI's normal price not ours...

Yeah, sure.  ADI displays only one price when you log on -- your price.  They
don't also display a "normal" price.  Nice try though.
mleuck - 14 May 2009 00:29 GMT
On May 13, 2:29 pm, "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com>
wrote:

> > Thats ADI's normal price not ours...
>
> Yeah, sure.  ADI displays only one price when you log on -- your price.  They
> don't also display a "normal" price.  Nice try though.

I didn't use the ADI site either, you are a funny person to talk about
pricing
Robert L Bass - 14 May 2009 03:13 GMT
> I didn't use the ADI site either...

Uh-huh.  Sure.

> you are a funny person to talk about pricing.

I only said you're paying too much.  Then you started dancing the twist.

Whatever.
mleuck - 14 May 2009 04:29 GMT
On May 13, 9:13 pm, "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com>
wrote:

> > I didn't use the ADI site either...
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Whatever.

I don't really need to use the website since the nearest ADI is less
than a block away (that shouldn't be too hard for even you to verify
using Google)

And I won't bring up Monitronics (sorry Monitronix) pricing in this
newsgroup although I'm pretty sure it's lower than yours
Robert L Bass - 14 May 2009 04:43 GMT
> And I won't bring up Monitronics (sorry Monitronix) pricing in this
> newsgroup although I'm pretty sure it's lower than yours

I was just having some fun with you.
Bob Worthy - 14 May 2009 13:20 GMT
On May 12, 9:15 pm, "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com>
wrote:
> "mleuck" wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass

Thats ADI's normal price not ours

Order them from the ADI's in Florida. The product is at the $100 mark.
mleuck - 14 May 2009 14:22 GMT
> On May 12, 9:15 pm, "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Order them from the ADI's in Florida. The product is at the $100 mark.

Odd that Florida would be lower, it looks like a nice product although
when it triggers the car is gone. The DeWalt Mobilock might be a
better product, I had one for quite a while and was very impressed
Bob Worthy - 14 May 2009 17:44 GMT
On May 14, 7:20 am, "Bob Worthy" <secur...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "mleuck" <m.le...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Order them from the ADI's in Florida. The product is at the $100 mark.

Odd that Florida would be lower, it looks like a nice product although
when it triggers the car is gone. The DeWalt Mobilock might be a
better product, I had one for quite a while and was very impressed

True enough, however, I am looking at it for other applications. Tracking
vehicles as to the times of vehicles coming and going (teenagers). That
classic car that is used when you're not around (notification). Patrol cars
that never move from their parking area when tours are supposed to be done
or not back on time. Or even a tour check point (recorded time) etc. etc.
Can this be circumvented? Of course. Point is, using one's imagination,
there are other uses besides theft. I look at it as a quality option to
offer as a solution for a particular need.
Robert L Bass - 14 May 2009 22:29 GMT
> I had one for quite a while and was very impressed...

Do they make a version for recumbent's?   :^)
KingFish - 13 May 2009 19:38 GMT
>> I emailed and called him today and was sent more information, it's both
>> hardwire and wireless. My local ADI had none in stock yet, around $150
>
> You're paying too much.  They give high-volume clients better prices.

even if the BBB rates them F?

http://www.bbb.org/west-florida/business-reviews/electric-equipment-technicians/
bass-burglar-alarms-in-sarasota-fl-41001663

NewInstaller - 03 Jul 2009 02:31 GMT
> >> I emailed and called him today and was sent more information, it's both
> >> hardwire and wireless. My local ADI had none in stock yet, around $150
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> http://www.bbb.org/west-florida/business-reviews/electric-equipment-t...

Have you used TheAutoContact ?
If so how did it hold up?
I checked with the BBB and TheAutoContact is not rated a F.
Why would you say all of the bads things about a product?
G. Morgan - 03 Jul 2009 02:36 GMT
>Have you used TheAutoContact ?
>If so how did it hold up?
>I checked with the BBB and TheAutoContact is not rated a F.
>Why would you say all of the bads things about a product?

He's not talking about the AutoContact.

The AutoContact manufacturer is not rated poorly by the BBB as far as I know.

He's in a personal feud with a group participant and it has nothing to do with
the product in thread.
Robert L Bass - 04 Jul 2009 07:45 GMT
> He's in a personal feud with a group participant...

He's not in a feud.  That would require more than one person to participate.
G. Morgan - 04 Jul 2009 17:02 GMT
>> He's in a personal feud with a group participant...
>
>He's not in a feud.  That would require more than one person to participate.

True.
mleuck - 04 Jul 2009 17:53 GMT
> >> He's in a personal feud with a group participant...
>
> >He's not in a feud.  That would require more than one person to participate.
>
> True.  

Not true
G. Morgan - 04 Jul 2009 18:24 GMT
>Not true

How would you know what the truth is?  You lie about posting your own
messages.
mleuck - 04 Jul 2009 20:54 GMT
> >Not true
>
> How would you know what the truth is?  You lie about posting your own
> messages.

Thats a lie!
G. Morgan - 04 Jul 2009 22:32 GMT
>> How would you know what the truth is?  You lie about posting your own
>> messages.
>
>Thats a lie!

Typical liar response.
mleuck - 05 Jul 2009 01:34 GMT
> >> How would you know what the truth is?  You lie about posting your own
> >> messages.
>
> >Thats a lie!
>
> Typical liar response.

So that would mean I'm lying about a lie?
G. Morgan - 05 Jul 2009 15:33 GMT
>> >> How would you know what the truth is?  You lie about posting your own
>> >> messages.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>So that would mean I'm lying about a lie?

That is correct.
mleuck - 06 Jul 2009 03:18 GMT
> >> >> How would you know what the truth is?  You lie about posting your own
> >> >> messages.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> That is correct.

Then I am telling the truth
G. Morgan - 06 Jul 2009 07:14 GMT
>> >So that would mean I'm lying about a lie?
>>
>> That is correct.
>
>Then I am telling the truth

Two lies cannot give rise to one truth.
Frank Olson - 06 Jul 2009 14:34 GMT
>>>> So that would mean I'm lying about a lie?
>>> That is correct.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>  

I wish Bush had learned that...
Robert L Bass - 06 Jul 2009 16:34 GMT
>> Two lies cannot give rise to one truth.
>
> I wish Bush had learned that...

Heh, heh, heh...  :^)

The problem is he was not just stupid but so arrogant that he had no idea that
he didn't know anything.
G. Morgan - 06 Jul 2009 17:14 GMT
>The problem is he was not just stupid but so arrogant that he had no idea that
>he didn't know anything.

Ignorance is bliss.  
He's a grinning nitwit.
mleuck - 07 Jul 2009 03:03 GMT
> >The problem is he was not just stupid but so arrogant that he had no idea that
> >he didn't know anything.
>
> Ignorance is bliss.  
> He's a grinning nitwit.

Words from an expert
Doug - 12 Jul 2009 16:45 GMT
>>> Two lies cannot give rise to one truth.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> The problem is he was not just stupid but so arrogant that he had no idea
> that he didn't know anything.

It seems that you have something in common with GWB after all.

Doug
Robert L Bass - 13 Jul 2009 10:26 GMT
> It seems that you have something in common with GWB after all.

You just can't seem to grasp this.  It's not arrogance since I really am 10
times smarter than you.
Doug - 13 Jul 2009 13:09 GMT
>> It seems that you have something in common with GWB after all.
>
> You just can't seem to grasp this.  It's not arrogance since I really am
> 10 times smarter than you.

Since you think I'm an imbecile, thats really not saying a great deal is it
?

Doug
Robert L Bass - 13 Jul 2009 23:12 GMT
> Since you think I'm an imbecile, thats really not saying a great deal is it?

Not if your IQ is at least 18.
mleuck - 07 Jul 2009 03:03 GMT
> >> >So that would mean I'm lying about a lie?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Two lies cannot give rise to one truth.

Thats not true
mleuck - 03 Jul 2009 21:04 GMT
> > >> I emailed and called him today and was sent more information, it's both
> > >> hardwire and wireless. My local ADI had none in stock yet, around $150
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I checked with the BBB and TheAutoContact is not rated a F.
> Why would you say all of the bads things about a product?

I've looked at it, for what it does it's an excellent product

Ever tried the recessed sensors?
CH®IS - 03 May 2009 06:35 GMT
>I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com

"When Every Second Counts!"

???

Really?  Then why are you finally setting the alarm off once the car has
already been broken into, started, and is now rolling out of the driveway?
There's quite a few seconds in there, somewhere around 90 I believe.

Either way, does anyone know what this thing is actually doing?  Pressure
switch, photocell blocked by a tire, etc.???  And it appears to be wireless,
which would be an issue since it "integrates economically with any standard
home or building security system by functioning as a standard zone."
Robert L Bass - 03 May 2009 17:41 GMT
> "When Every Second Counts!"

It would be nice if the website included some details about the product.  With
what's there it's impossible to tell if this thing is something useful or
junk.  The site says it's at ADI but it doesn't appear to be in the Adonis
database.

Signature

Regards,
Robert L Bass

==============================>
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DIY Alarm and Home Automation Store
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Service 941-870-2310
Fax 941-870-3252
==============================>

mrmonavie22@gmail.com - 03 May 2009 18:40 GMT
On May 2, 2:27 pm, mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote:
> I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com

I just saw a flyer in a motorcycle shop yesterday my friend told me
adi will be droping the specs this week but the part # is gs-autocont.
and you can put any kind of transmiter in it for any panel. .
Robert L Bass - 03 May 2009 22:32 GMT
<mrmonavie22> wrote:

> I just saw a flyer in a motorcycle shop yesterday my friend told me adi will
> be droping the specs this week but the part # is gs-autocont. and you can
> put any kind of transmiter in it for any panel.

Wow!  At $135 dealer cost, it had better be made of heavy guage, stainless
steel.

Signature

Regards,
Robert L Bass

==============================>
Bass Home Electronics
DIY Alarm and Home Automation Store
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Service 941-870-2310
Fax 941-870-3252
==============================>

mrmonavie22@gmail.com - 03 May 2009 18:47 GMT
On May 2, 2:27 pm, mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote:
> I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com

I just found a link on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DENeT_Zrqaw
JoeRaisin - 03 May 2009 21:04 GMT
> I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com

I don't know how it shows up on other web browsers, but on firefox the
site is poorly presented.  I would say it looks like it was done by a
child, but most kids I know have much better skills than that.
Doug - 03 May 2009 21:19 GMT
>> I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com
>
> I don't know how it shows up on other web browsers, but on firefox the
> site is poorly presented.  I would say it looks like it was done by a
> child, but most kids I know have much better skills than that.

The website is very poor, doesn't really tell you anything about the
product.
I looked it up online at ADI and they show it as available

ADI Part Nbr       Status      Description\Vendor Name
Price

GS-AUTOCONT     A         WIRELESS VEHICLE NOTIFICATION DEVICE
xxx.xx

Doug
Crash Gordon - 04 May 2009 00:55 GMT
3 x's before the decimal point...sheesh.

Signature

**Crash Gordon**

>>> I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com
>>
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>
> Doug
mleuck - 09 May 2009 23:39 GMT
> mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com
>
> I don't know how it shows up on other web browsers, but on firefox the
> site is poorly presented.  I would say it looks like it was done by a
> child, but most kids I know have much better skills than that.

Looks fine on my Firefox
JoeRaisin - 10 May 2009 03:23 GMT
>> mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Looks fine on my Firefox

Perhaps it is because I keep my text size bigger than normal.  Old eyes...

The text extends out of its designated spaces.
Robert L Bass - 11 May 2009 04:30 GMT
> The text extends out of its designated spaces.

That's just poor HTML work.  The web is full of badly coded sites.  That
doesn't mean the product is bad -- or good -- though.

Signature

Regards,
Robert L Bass

==============================>
Bass Home Electronics
DIY Alarm and Home Automation Store
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Service 941-870-2310
Fax 941-870-3252
==============================>

JoeRaisin - 11 May 2009 12:00 GMT
>> The text extends out of its designated spaces.
>
> That's just poor HTML work.  The web is full of badly coded sites.  That
> doesn't mean the product is bad -- or good -- though.

To my mind it is part and parcel of selling.  If the person can't be
bothered to put a little effort in creating his website, how much effort
was put into vetting the products sold on that site?

My kid has friends who've dropped out of school who can create a better
looking web page.

It is (IMHO) just like a person on another forum I participate on who
tries to present an argument based on his level of education and
intellect but his posts are rife with spelling errors and punctuation is
practically non-existent.

Takes away from the credibility.

Remember - you only have one chance to make a first impression.
mleuck - 11 May 2009 16:28 GMT
> >> The text extends out of its designated spaces.
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Remember - you only have one chance to make a first impression.

Oh please, While I don't care much for all flash sites I find it
fairly simple and informative and if there is a question it seems easy
enough to click on the Contact button like I did
Robert L Bass - 12 May 2009 23:44 GMT
> To my mind it is part and parcel of selling.  If the person
> can't be bothered to put a little effort in creating his
> website, how much effort was put into vetting the products
> sold on that site?

I understand your thinking on this.  However, some folks are good at what they
acually do (say for example, installing and selecting alarm equipment) but
totally inept at writing HTML code.  I always prided myself on offering good
products but it took me a long time to learn how to build an online store
that's easy to shop and (I think) user friendly.

> My kid has friends who've dropped out of school who
> can create a better looking web page.

I don't doubt that.  I have nephiews who can code circles around me.  However,
they don't know squat about alarms and home automation.  One converse example
is my old nemisis, Mike.  He actually knew his stuff about alarms and could
put together a decent system.  He couldn't "sell" though because he came
across as an oaf in person and he had the Web design skills of an ape.  His
prices were competitive on most stuff though he subscribed to the "@#$*% you"
school of customer service.  :^)

> It is (IMHO) just like a person on another forum I participate
> on who tries to present an argument based on his level of
> education and intellect but his posts are rife with spelling
> errors and punctuation is practically non-existent.

People who rely on their "education level" as proof of the rightness of their
position in online debates usually turn out to be inerudite morons.

> Takes away from the credibility.
>
> Remember - you only have one chance to make a first
> impression.

That is true.

Signature

Regards,
Robert L Bass

==============================>
Bass Home Electronics
DIY Alarm and Home Automation Store
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Service 941-870-2310
Fax 941-870-3252
==============================>

motley me - 07 May 2009 03:49 GMT
mrmonavie22@gmail.com wrote in news:043eb0bb-ff62-4112-9c78-61e28ffe3227
@h23g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:

> I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com

Interesting concept, though I think that it would really have limited
practical uses.  

If a customer was that worried about someone stealing something  on wheels,
I would probably suggest something more like the DeWalt mobilelock system.
It will warn you that it has been moved and track it also.
mrmonavie22@gmail.com - 09 May 2009 14:33 GMT
> mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote in news:043eb0bb-ff62-4112-9c78-61e28ffe3227
> @h23g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I would probably suggest something more like the DeWalt mobilelock system.
> It will warn you that it has been moved and track it also.
mrmonavie22@gmail.com - 09 May 2009 14:33 GMT
> mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote in news:043eb0bb-ff62-4112-9c78-61e28ffe3227
> @h23g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I would probably suggest something more like the DeWalt mobilelock system.
> It will warn you that it has been moved and track it also.
mrmonavie22@gmail.com - 09 May 2009 14:34 GMT
> mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote in news:043eb0bb-ff62-4112-9c78-61e28ffe3227
> @h23g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I would probably suggest something more like the DeWalt mobilelock system.
> It will warn you that it has been moved and track it also.
mrmonavie22@gmail.com - 09 May 2009 14:35 GMT
> mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote in news:043eb0bb-ff62-4112-9c78-61e28ffe3227
> @h23g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I would probably suggest something more like the DeWalt mobilelock system.
> It will warn you that it has been moved and track it also.
mleuck - 09 May 2009 23:40 GMT
> mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote in news:043eb0bb-ff62-4112-9c78-61e28ffe3227
> @h23g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I would probably suggest something more like the DeWalt mobilelock system.
> It will warn you that it has been moved and track it also.

An excellent product
mleuck - 14 May 2009 17:27 GMT
On May 2, 1:27 pm, mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote:
> I can't believe no one ever thought of this before.  Theautocontact.com

The developer has been sending me more information since this thread
started and this morning sent me more pictures, it's a large rubbery
pad with space for a wireless sensor, can also be hardwired.

Looks like an interesting product
Doug - 14 May 2009 17:34 GMT
On May 2, 1:27 pm, mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote:
> I can't believe no one ever thought of this before. Theautocontact.com

>The developer has been sending me more information since this thread
>started and this morning sent me more pictures, it's a large rubbery
>pad with space for a wireless sensor, can also be hardwired.

>Looks like an interesting product

Yes, I've sold and installed thousands of these products over the 17 years
I've been in the business. My price from ADI is $67.00. I used to pay a
little more but 23 years ago ADI reduced my prices due to amount of business
I do with them.

Doug
alarman - 15 May 2009 01:25 GMT
> Yes, I've sold and installed thousands of these products over the 17
> years I've been in the business. My price from ADI is $67.00. I used
> to pay a little more but 23 years ago ADI reduced my prices due to
> amount of business I do with them.

:-)

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js

Robert L Bass - 15 May 2009 03:47 GMT
>> amount of business I do with them.
>
> :-)

Juveniles.
mleuck - 15 May 2009 04:30 GMT
> On May 2, 1:27 pm, mrmonavi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Doug

You forgot that you personally know the owner of the company and had a
hand in the development of the product
Doug - 15 May 2009 05:04 GMT
On May 14, 11:34 am, "Doug" <n...@home.com> wrote:
> "mleuck" <m.le...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Doug

>You forgot that you personally know the owner of the company and had a
>hand in the development of the product

I wrote the software for it

Doug
mleuck - 15 May 2009 06:03 GMT
> On May 14, 11:34 am, "Doug" <n...@home.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Doug

Or to be more accurate your "team" wrote the software, you did the
helpfile
KingFish - 15 May 2009 12:30 GMT
On May 14, 11:04 pm, "Doug" <n...@home.com> wrote:
> "mleuck" <m.le...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Doug

Or to be more accurate your "team" wrote the software, you did the
helpfile

and if you rearrange the letters it spells the names of some newsgroup
participants.
Frank Olson - 15 May 2009 13:49 GMT
> On May 14, 11:04 pm, "Doug" <n...@home.com> wrote:
>> "mleuck" <m.le...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> and if you rearrange the letters it spells the names of some newsgroup
> participants.

If you play it backwards it says "Paul is dead".
KingFish - 15 May 2009 15:16 GMT
>> On May 14, 11:04 pm, "Doug" <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>> "mleuck" <m.le...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> If you play it backwards it says "Paul is dead".

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97837
Jim - 16 May 2009 05:27 GMT
On May 15, 8:49�am, Frank Olson
<use_the_email_li...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote:
> > On May 14, 11:04 pm, "Doug" <n...@home.com> wrote:
> >> "mleuck" <m.le...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> If you play it backwards it says "Paul is dead".-

Wouldn't it be ironic if he lived the longest?
Robert L Bass - 29 May 2009 05:35 GMT
> Or to be more accurate your "team" wrote the software, you did the helpfile

Funny you should bring that up.  When I mentioned that our company was
contracted to develop software for Edwards you and several others insisted it
was a lie.  I stated I was doing the help system while my partners did the
main program and the communications segments.  You also insisted that wasn't
true.

I also recall you taking offense when I included your name and those of
several of your pals in the screen shots within the help file, along with the
names of several major streets near my office.  I thought that would be a fun
way to respond.  I noticed that after you realized we actually did write the
program you shut up about it (and of course never apologized).

Feel free to crack wise some more.  :^)

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Robert L Bass

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==============================>

Frank Olson - 29 May 2009 06:12 GMT
>> Or to be more accurate your "team" wrote the software, you did the
>> helpfile
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>
> Feel free to crack wise some more.  :^)

Robert.  You still don't seem to realize that there are NO WINNERS in
this contest.  You are bent on dragging ASA back into the same turmoil.
 WHY????  Your replies only "open the door" to more!  Clearly, you feel
"hard done by", but remember there are two sides to every disagreement
and "the other side" feels much the same way.  Most of us have put all
this aside for the good of the community.  Leuck's an "instigator" and
right now he's "trolling" for replies and you're obliging him.  Kingfish
is simply a troll.  You have the choice as to how you wish to respond to
either, but keep the NO WINNERS comment uppermost before you hit that
"send" button.  I certainly do.

I'm happy you enjoyed your vacation and thankfull that your cancer's in
remission.  Take care and God Bless!
Robert L Bass - 29 May 2009 13:03 GMT
> Robert.  You still don't seem to realize that there are NO WINNERS in this
> contest.

What contest?  I haven't attacked anyone here.  I simply spoke the truth.

> Clearly, you feel "hard done by", but remember there are two sides to every
> disagreement and "the other side" feels much the same way.

There are not two sides, just different people.  There are those who have made
a sincere effort to be polite and respectful and there are those who still
post attacks.  Then there are Leuck and "Doug" who routinely posts digs.

> Most of us have put all this aside for the good of the community.  Leuck's
> an "instigator" and right now he's "trolling" for replies and you're
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> I'm happy you enjoyed your vacation and thankfull that your cancer's in
> remission.  Take care and God Bless!

OK, we agree on this part.  End of story (for me at least).

Regards,
Robert
Frank Olson - 29 May 2009 14:43 GMT
>> Robert.  You still don't seem to realize that there are NO WINNERS in
>> this contest.
>
> What contest?  I haven't attacked anyone here.  I simply spoke the truth.

Robert.  A whole host of individuals could simply "speak the truth" and
we would wind up in another long thread of "he said, he said" with no
one emerging "victorious" or "vindicated".  No one here (with the
exception of Troll Kingfish) has referenced anything you've done "in the
past", yet you seem bent on "setting the record straight".  I hate to
tell you this, but that record has two sides.  For petems sake, don't go
there!!  The past is the past, let sleeping dogs lie, don't bark up the
wrong tree, water under the bridge, and all that.

Heck...  I don't mind one bit that you talk politics.  You have very
strong views (some of which I share).  Personally, I'm glad to see you
"back in the saddle again, pahdner".  I know the last year was really
rough for you.

Frank
Doug - 29 May 2009 16:23 GMT
> There are not two sides, just different people.  There are those who have
> made a sincere effort to be polite and respectful and there are those who
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> Regards,
> Robert

Dig?, not really, I know you prefer people to fawn, rather than yawn over
your "everybody look at me & how great I am" fables but the fact that I
couldn't suppress a quick yawn doesn't really constitute a dig, just me
respectfully expressing my opinion.

Doug
mleuck - 31 May 2009 00:35 GMT
> > There are not two sides, just different people.  There are those who have
> > made a sincere effort to be polite and respectful and there are those who
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>
> Doug

Well he definitely has Frank hooked on the "fawning" part
Frank Olson - 31 May 2009 07:11 GMT
>>> There are not two sides, just different people.  There are those who have
>>> made a sincere effort to be polite and respectful and there are those who
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>
> Well he definitely has Frank hooked on the "fawning" part

Yeah, right.  I've chosen not to "get involved" in the "he said, he
said" thing.  What's the point in it?  All anyone has to do is a little
research with Google.  In the mean time, what's the harm in
congratulating someone over his defeating the big "C"?

You're an instigator, Leuck.  May you "cycle on" and prosper.  :-)
mleuck - 31 May 2009 16:11 GMT
On May 31, 1:11 am, Frank Olson
<use_the_email_li...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote:

> >>> There are not two sides, just different people.  There are those who have
> >>> made a sincere effort to be polite and respectful and there are those who
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>
> You're an instigator, Leuck.  May you "cycle on" and prosper.  :-)

When did I say congratulating someone on beating cancer was harmeful?
mleuck - 31 May 2009 00:24 GMT
On May 28, 11:35 pm, "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com>
wrote:

> > Or to be more accurate your "team" wrote the software, you did the helpfile
>
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> Regards,
> Robert L Bass

1. I never took any offense with getting listed in your program, you
may be thinking of Tom or Jake
2. The issue was that there is no "we" and it wasn't "your team"

It was your sister and while they did the heavy work you just made a
helpfile which is about the easiest thing to make (I should know)
Frank Olson - 31 May 2009 07:01 GMT
> On May 28, 11:35 pm, "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com>
> wrote:
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> It was your sister and while they did the heavy work you just made a
> helpfile which is about the easiest thing to make (I should know)

As I recall, the "help file" was produced with a readily available
off-the-shelf program, and IMHO the references to various participants
in this newsgroup still ranks as one of the most unprofessional things
I've ever seen.  I certainly wouldn't take any pride in that, Robert.
Robert L Bass - 31 May 2009 09:10 GMT
> As I recall, the "help file" was produced with a readily available
> off-the-shelf program...

The help development tool I used is called RoboHelp.  The VP of Edwards said
my help system was the best he'd ever seen.

> and IMHO the references to various participants in this newsgroup still
> ranks as one of the most unprofessional things I've ever seen.  I certainly
> wouldn't take any pride in that, Robert.

I thought it was pretty damned funny, considering all the hate posts from the
named participants claiming I was doing no such thing at the time.

BTW, the app we developed did something no other downloader did before nor, to
my knowledge, has done since.  It provided the ability to configure and
download virtually any control panel by simply modifying the schema.  Instead
of spending a few hundred hours writing a new app or even a new module every
time a new series of panels is created, the manufacturer only needs to change
a simple, easy to understand (because it's well commented) text file.  Try
that with Compass or Quickloader.

Our software team has, cumulatively, over 80 years of experience.  My sister
has been writing machine control apps since the 70's.  Mike has done
everything from high level coding (COBOL, Fortran, etc.) to firmware.  He has
written the most comprehensive development tool for COBOL in use today.  He
also developed an OS for a mainframe builder.  We were offered the job of
developing the firmware for Edwards as well as the downloader, but we turned
that down due to time constraints and concentrated on the DACT Manager (since
renamed, IIRC).

I learned programming in 1969 when a "small" computer would fill a large room
and PC's were the stuff of futuristic cartoons.  I've written modules to
enhance industry apps like BOLD.  I've also developed a number of stand-alone
apps, including one of the first (really basic) computerized central station
monitoring systems.  That system was not for market -- something I wrote to
help manage my own small central station.  After a couple of years using it I
purchased BOLD and went on to write a number of add-ons for it.  Although I
learned five languages, I have nowhere near the coding experience of my family
members.  Other business interests have kept me too busy to do as much in that
area as I might otherwise have done.

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mleuck - 31 May 2009 16:14 GMT
On May 31, 3:10 am, "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com>
wrote:

> > As I recall, the "help file" was produced with a readily available
> > off-the-shelf program...
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> Regards,
> Robert L Bass

This appears to be an example of a "everybody look at me & how great I
am" fable Doug was talking about
Robert L Bass - 31 May 2009 08:49 GMT
> 1. I never took any offense with getting listed in your program, you may be
> thinking of Tom or Jake...

Not true.  You replied with feigned annoyance that I used your name (actually,
it was a similar name but not exactly yours).

2. The issue was that there is no "we" and it wasn't "your team". It was your
sister and while they did the heavy work you just made a helpfile which is
about the easiest thing to make (I should know).

Wrong again.  My sister developed the communications module.  My brother wrote
the main app.  The two of them together developed the schema.  I wrote the
help system.  I've seen your help system and it was pretty basic stuff --  
anyone with a couple of hours experience using any of the major help
development tools could have done better.
 
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