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Homeowner Forum / Rural Living / July 2009Using Sprinkler/Hose To Keep Deer Out Of Gardins?
Has anybody tried this? The technology seems tb there: either self-contained battery-operated motion-sensing hose valves or more sophisticated motion sensors networked into a PC that turns water on and off. I'd think it's almost 100% that the first few deployments would scare the deer off. But do they get acclimated and just accept the shower time while they're munching?  SignaturePeteCresswell > Has anybody tried this? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > But do they get acclimated and just accept the shower time while > they're munching? It's been my experience that deer love to eat in the rain... it's pouring here now and there's like 25 deer scattered about my yard munching wet salad. >> Has anybody tried this? >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > pouring here now and there's like 25 deer scattered about my yard > munching wet salad. Yup. Same thing with lights and noise. Runs them off the first few times, then they are back and ignoring the distraction. Darned things have developed a taste for the tomatoes, and short of a bullet between the eyes I haven't found a sure-fire deer repellant yet. So what DOES work? > Yup. Same thing with lights and noise. Runs them off the first few > times, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So what DOES work I've heard of 2 methods that are supposed to work pretty good. 1. Pee around the outside of the garden. 2. Go to the barber and get a bag of human hair and put that around the outside of the garden. I haven't tried either method but neighbors have done both and say they work and I don't doubt my neighbors. Randy >> Yup. Same thing with lights and noise. Runs them off the first few >> times, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Randy My Father-In-Law did both to deter rabbits. He claimed it worked. (He also had a wonderful wooden cabinet with dials and meters that he claimed would cure disease.) SignatureThey're locking them up today they're throwing away the key I wonder who it'll be tomorrow you or me. > >> Yup. Same thing with lights and noise. Runs them off the first few > >> times, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > cabinet with dials and meters that he claimed would > cure disease.) In my misguided youth I studied Dowsing. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing> My well driven to second is some think the best tasting about. I dowsed the location. Weird hippie. Still we run it thru Brita. Bill who shoots deer with bb in the a.s. They are almost like cats here. SignatureGarden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA http://www.youtube.com/usnationalarchives On Jul 1, 8:40 pm, "Bill Marrs" <billma...@verizon.net> wrote: > Yup. Same thing with lights and noise. Runs them off the first few > times, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So what DOES work I've heard of 2 methods that are supposed to work pretty good. 1. Pee around the outside of the garden. 2. Go to the barber and get a bag of human hair and put that around the outside of the garden. I haven't tried either method but neighbors have done both and say they work and I don't doubt my neighbors. Randy Old wive's tales. Peeing outdoors out in the open will just make you feel more macho. And collecting hair from the barber is like my collecting corrogated from the likker store, saves space in their trash. > Old wive's tales. Peeing outdoors out in the open will just make you feel > more macho. Nay it is more like the ability do so is prime. Trying to think of the author from 196o's that touched on this. Can¹t remember the author at this time want to say Wendell Berry but he was more of and outcast not Sauer ....Stinks. > And collecting hair from the barber is like my collecting > corrogated from the likker store, saves space in their trash. Very high in N2. Bill SignatureGarden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA http://www.youtube.com/usnationalarchives >> Old wive's tales. Peeing outdoors out in the open will just make you feel >> more macho. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bill Sounds more like Euell Gibbons than Wendell Berry SignatureBut we've taken sides in anger and we can't back down Now we're fightin' just to bring the other down. And if you think to stop it now Then the next time we'll know how. > >> Old wive's tales. Peeing outdoors out in the open will just make you feel > >> more macho. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > Sounds more like Euell Gibbons than Wendell Berry Edward Abbey came to me finally. Bill SignatureGarden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA http://www.youtube.com/usnationalarchives Per Bill Marrs: >Yup. Same thing with lights and noise. Runs them off the first few >times, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >haven't found >a sure-fire deer repellant yet. Based on the replies so far, I guess the sprinkler approach isn't very promising. One thing I read is that they do not like walking on hardware cloth of the right size. Dunno any more - but I'm guessing that the right size is big enough for their hooves to go through, but small enough to make it hard to pull them out quickly. SignaturePeteCresswell > Based on the replies so far, I guess the sprinkler approach isn't > very promising. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > PeteCresswell Guess you could make a game out of it and make it sporting. How about a good slingshot and a bag of marbles. Pop them in the butt. Pellet gun for a change of pace. You used to be able to buy real large firecrackers spaced along very long fuses. A firecracker would go off every 5-10 minutes. I think their orginal use was to get crows out of cornfields. Deer are so thick in our area they are like rodents. Don't have much problem at our place with them due to the dogs. The deer are out and about 24X7 and on the roads all the time. I even had 1 come jumping out of the woods and jumped the front of my kawasaki mule while I was going down the road. The rule of thumb in our area is if your freezer is running low on venison, then it's deer season. Rarely do you see anything in the paper about someone being arrested for poaching or shooting deer out of season and when you do it's a real low fine. Each family member of a landowner can get 2 free deer permits per season. Multiple seasons for archery, firearm, black powder & shotgun. I think there are 2 of each of those seasons per year. I have more problems with squirrels and birds in the garden then deer. They usually pick the fruit trees clean before the fruit is ripe enough to pick. Randy >> Based on the replies so far, I guess the sprinkler approach isn't >> very promising. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Randy When I was in college, we used "Stalag 17" fuses to set off ashcans and cherry bombs in the planters around the admin building. Now that cigarettes cost 10 times what they did then we'd have to think twice before spending 50 cents on a time fuse for a dime's worth of bang. SignatureWe're borrowing money from China to buy oil from the Persian Gulf to burn it in ways that destroy the planet. Per Elmo: >Now >that cigarettes cost 10 times what they did then we'd have to think >twice before spending 50 cents on a time fuse for a dime's worth >of bang. I was in a truck stop in New Jersey last week when some kid was giving the cashier a ration about how bad New Jersey was because cigarettes cost $8.00 a *pack*. Jeeze, I almost asked the kid why he didn't quit. SignaturePeteCresswell > Per Elmo: >>Now [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > cashier a ration about how bad New Jersey was because cigarettes cost > $8.00 a *pack*. Jeeze, I almost asked the kid why he didn't quit. Cigarettes have been relatively pricey in NJ for a long time. Wouldn't help as much with the federal tax up too, but the kid should have looked for chemical tank trucks with southern state tags. <g> Per Randy: >Deer are so thick in our area they are like rodents. I think a vermin analogy works: they carry disease, they destroy property, their numbers are artificially inflated by human occupation.... Squirrels? The squirrels around here are so big: http://tinyurl.com/lekveq SignaturePeteCresswell "PeteCresswell" writes: > Per Bill Marrs: >>Yup. Same thing with lights and noise. Runs them off the first few [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Based on the replies so far, I guess the sprinkler approach isn't > very promising. Especially won't work during a dry spell, if anything once deer (and other critters) learn that their presence triggers water they'll come to your restaurant more often... I know it took practically no time for my cats to learn that anytime I used water at any sinks (even the bath tub) and even though I closed the faucet it was a signal for them to nuzzle out the last drops... most critters prefer to drink from running/dripping water, even rain streaming down their heads to their mouths to where they can lap it up, probably why deer tend to come out of the woods every time it rains. I think once they learn that their presence at your garden triggers a shower they will be there constantly... those gadgets will turn them into Pavlov's deer... wouldn't you if your presence triggered a flow of your favorite brewski? Those gizmos are just silly, trying to scare off critters with what amounts to a rain shower. Where I lived last I had an automatic sprinkler system. When those heads turned on at night they attracted every bird in the area, and also any loose dogs nearby, they loved romping in the curbside spray on a hot summer eve. I had a chain link fence in front but there was like a twelve food wide grassy area to the curb, so tthere were sprinklers outside my fence too. Even though it was surburban and there were no deer there were still lots of pets let out to roam... plenty of teens enjoyed the sprinklers too. > One thing I read is that they do not like walking on hardware > cloth of the right size. Dunno any more - but I'm guessing that > the right size is big enough for their hooves to go through, but > small enough to make it hard to pull them out quickly. I think for the quantity of hardware cloth needed to cover all the area necessary it would cost less to erect a wire fence... and I seriously doubt hardware cloth on the ground would affect deer one iota, they'd not even notice, not with how they can traverse, wide rocky gravely areas... they go down into my rock lined creek all the time, and I can't even walk there anymore, the loose rocks make it very precarious. > Has anybody tried this? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > But do they get acclimated and just accept the shower time while > they're munching? Better yet - they do not get acclimated to bullets. From my deck you can pick 'em off with my old army surplus sniper rifle well beyond 400yd. >Has anybody tried this? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >But do they get acclimated and just accept the shower time while >they're munching? Try getting a dog. One that can learn what to protect. SignatureEmail hint - Everything after the @ is spelled backwards. There are only 10 types of people in the world: those that understand binary, and those that don't. >>Has anybody tried this? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Try getting a dog. One that can learn what to protect. A dog cannot run deer off. A large agressive dog will run at deer barking its head off but it almost appears that the deer are luring the dog away from its home, then the deer will suddenly turn, snort and stomp and the dog will turn tail and slink off in defeat. No lone dog can keep deer away, would require a whole pack of hungry feral canines, a few domesticated dogs won't do scat. Even a pack of coyotes won't attack a herd of deer, they will only go after a lame one... one on one a healthy deer will kill a dog with one hoove to the head. If ever you suddenly run into a deer while walking about do not attempt to approach, back off slowly, if a deer feels cornered it can easily kill a man. Especially do not approach deer when fawns are born. The only method that works for keeping deer from eating your tomatoes is a strong tall fence. Even a gun will be useless unless you never want to sleep... and if you shoot deer out of season you will be behind a fence. Anytime someone brags about their gun you know it's a coward with a very small penis. >>>Has anybody tried this? >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > it can easily kill a man. Especially do not approach deer when > fawns are born. you obviously know nothing about guardian dogs. you also know little about coyotes. of course it would take a pack of little 35-45 pound animals to go after a deer. coyotes are not big. that's why they mostly eat mice & rabbits. > The only method that works for keeping deer from eating your > tomatoes is a strong tall fence. Even a gun will be useless > unless you never want to sleep... and if you shoot deer out of > season you will be behind a fence. Anytime someone brags about > their gun you know it's a coward with a very small penis. in my state i can shoot deer on my property any time of year & i don't need a license either. your state may be different. watch the broad, all knowing rhetoric. you're frequently wrong. lee >>>>Has anybody tried this? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > you obviously know nothing about guardian dogs. There is no such thing as "guardian" dogs, you made that up. A dog can be trained to be a guard/watch dog to protect property, a large dog, like a german shepherd, can be trained to take down and kill a man but no single dog can be trained to take down and kill a healthy adult deer, even the meanest junk yard dog can't. Deer are infinitely more powerful, possess far quicker reflexes, are several times more agile, possess more stamina, and posses far keener sensory perception than any dog... no dog can even sneak up on a deer. Dogs are not preditory by nature nor can they be trained to be preditory, canines are not felines... the best a dog can do is announce their presence by barking/growling from some safe distance in hopes to intimidate, and in fact that's exactly what coyotes do in hopes of spoting a lame target. Deer would rather flight than fight but if cornered the dog will have it's skull bashed in and lie dead before you can say Spot. A dog has no protection once a deer decides to attack, neither does a man. A deer leaps into the air and thrusts its hooves to the skull with far greater accuracy and with infinitely more force than the most skilled martial arts champion. The dog or man would be dead before the deer lands all four feet back on the ground. > coyotes are not big. that's why they mostly eat mice & rabbits. Big is a relative term, meaningless, especially meaningless in this discussion... black widow spiders are not "big" either. Coyotes hunt in packs, they don't need to be especially large... coyotes are better designed for hunting and killing game larger than themselves than any domestic dog, and still they single out only the unhealthy deer. The largest breeds of dogs are worthless in the field, they are much too slow, they are strictly work dogs >> The only method that works for keeping deer from eating your >> tomatoes is a strong tall fence. Even a gun will be useless [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > broad, all knowing rhetoric. you're frequently wrong. > lee If you don't have a deer hunting season where you live then naturally you cannot shoot deer out of season, learn to read, and check a dictionary for the definition of "if". So you're saying that you have a tiny penis, that I believe. >>>>>Has anybody tried this? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > the most skilled martial arts champion. The dog or man would be dead > before the deer lands all four feet back on the ground. I don't know how your suburban deer/dogs interact, but rural dogs certainly do track, run, attack, and kill deer. It used to permissible in PA to kill a dog pursuing deer; now, the dog has to be attacking. Dogs here range 2-3 miles from their homes on deer trails. One of the reasons I've never seriously considered having a dog here is that, given the opportunity, a dog's instinct will be to chase deer and other game animals. For confirmation, Google "dogs running deer" <...> > PA to kill a dog pursuing deer; now, the dog has to be attacking. Dogs > here range 2-3 miles from their homes on deer trails. One of the reasons > I've never seriously considered having a dog here is that, given the > opportunity, a dog's instinct will be to chase deer and other game > animals. For confirmation, Google "dogs running deer" Anytime someone cites their claim by telling me to look it up I know they're full of doodoo. I'm sure there are a bunch of deliverence rednecks with web sites about how they have the biggest badest hounds who hunt down deer, but when they ain't all likkered up on moon they fess up about how old yaller caught a bunny. Anyone can claim anything on the net. . Anyone can claim anything on the net. You're proof of that. Randy >> PA to kill a dog pursuing deer; now, the dog has to be attacking. Dogs >> here range 2-3 miles from their homes on deer trails. One of the reasons [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > about how old yaller caught a bunny. Anyone can claim anything on the > net. So, skip over those results in the listings. Or, try searching on: dogs deer site:gov (no quotes) Examples: "Dog owners can be cited for violating state law which prohibits allowing dogs to chase deer or elk. The misdemeanor citations carry a minimum $152 fine." wdfw.wa.gov "We are having some serious problems with dogs chasing deer on the winter ..." wildlife.utah.gov >>> PA to kill a dog pursuing deer; now, the dog has to be attacking. Dogs >>> here range 2-3 miles from their homes on deer trails. One of the reasons [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > "We are having some serious problems with dogs chasing deer on the winter > ..." wildlife.utah.gov I already explained that deer would rather flight than fight, unless cornered... those dogs are lucky they haven't cornered any deer. Deer can easily out run any dog while hardly expending any energy. No dog can come close to keeping up. Deer are smart, they are not going to risk getting wounded by a pack of crazed dogs. Dogs are stupid. Shoot the stupid dogs. Better yet shoot the dog's stupid owners. Deer really don't concern themselves with silly dogs, dogs don't present deer with any real danger. Deer are concerned with felines. > Deer really don't concern themselves with silly dogs, dogs don't present > deer with any real danger. Deer are concerned with felines.- Ah once again you're showing your lack of knowledge. I've watched a pack of dogs surround a herd of deer. They picked out the one they wanted and took it down, killed it and started eating in less then a minute. That happens real frequently here. I've seen a solitary wolf dog take down a large buck by it'self. It ran it down. Deer can't run full speed thru the woods and rocks. Dogs can. I've seen a dog go after a bear and take it back into the woods. That was 1 of my so called obese great pyreneese coming to my rescue. Go back thru the archives and read about it. You just might learn something. As near as I can tell you're full of crap and just like to hear yourself talk and type. I think you should come visit me and I will show you what a dog and pack of dogs can do. Will take you out into the woods surrounding my farm and see if you can make it out alive before a pack of wild dogs get you. Take that bag of burgers with you as I'm sure they would enjoy them as a pre feast snack. As far as your other posts and comments about fencing to keep a deer out. You would need an 8ft fence and I'm not sure that would keep them out. Obviously you've never seen a deer jump. I've seen them clear a 6ft fence like it wasn't even there. Randy >>>> PA to kill a dog pursuing deer; now, the dog has to be attacking. >>>> Dogs here range 2-3 miles from their homes on deer trails. One of the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I already explained that deer would rather flight than fight, unless > cornered Depends on the situation, but generally true. >... those dogs are lucky they haven't cornered any deer. Deer can > easily out run any dog while hardly expending any energy. Simply not true. Deer are at a disadvantage in snow and, especially in rugged terrain, can easily break a leg. The dog goes home to a bowl of Alpo, but the deer has burned fat it needed to survive the winter. > No dog can come > close to keeping up. Deer are smart, they are not going to risk getting > wounded by a pack of crazed dogs. Dogs are stupid. Shoot the stupid > dogs. Better yet shoot the dog's stupid owners. Yes, dogs do some dumb things ... like going after porcupines and skunks after they've already been burned once. But deer are dumber. They're creatures of habit that will go right back into an area (overnight) where their group has been shot at and some killed during the day. When they flee, they seem to run until they're exhausted. A dog (or bear) would run to a known safe place and hide. > Deer really don't concern themselves with silly dogs, dogs don't present > deer with any real danger. That may be true in Disney Land, but it isn't here. > Deer are concerned with felines. It did surprise me the first time I saw a deer snort and stamp its hooves at a cat. I can only conclude that it's a genetic holdover from when there were Eastern cougars. > >>>>Has anybody tried this? > [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You're becoming a royal pain in the a.s and you talk out your a.s. My great pyreneese weigh between 110 & 150 pounds. Thats plenty big to do their job. You don't think a dog can take down a full grown deer ? In that case you must be a city boy and haven't got a clue on how things work on in the country and wilds. But enough of this. I don't have time to waste with idiots. Randy You're becoming a royal pain in the a.s. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You think your a.s hurts... that was nothing... YOU haven't a clue, you've no idea what a.s pain I can inflict. Bend over booby... let me know how good it hurts, Randy. Randy is a gay name, you're gonna love it! LOL Randy <rjmacres@yahoo.com> wrote in news:43c9d6c3-4a85-49e5-92f9-eaeff7c0449a@n16g2000yqm.googlegroups. com: > You're becoming a royal pain in the a.s and you talk out your > a.s. My great pyreneese weigh between 110 & 150 pounds. Thats [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > how things > work on in the country and wilds. hey, you got it right there! ;) city boy that thinks he knows it all. he's got a little hobby farm now... gives him more things to proclaim his expertise in. lee >>>>>Has anybody tried this? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > martial arts champion. The dog or man would be dead before the > deer lands all four feet back on the ground. go ahead, keep digging that hole, "expert". >> coyotes are not big. that's why they mostly eat mice & >> rabbits. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > worthless in the field, they are much too slow, they are > strictly work dogs keeeeep digging. > If you don't have a deer hunting season where you live then > naturally you cannot shoot deer out of season, learn to read, > and check a dictionary for the definition of "if". yes, there is a deer season, and if i want to hunt other than on my property, i need to get a license. however, any deer on my land, anytime. you may now follow the rest of your own advice. >So you're > saying that you have a tiny penis, that I believe. actually sweetie, i don't have a penis at all. so i don't have all that testosterone clogging my brain like you seem to have. i pity you Shelly. lee > A dog cannot run deer off. A large agressive dog will run at deer barking > its head off but it almost appears that the deer are luring the dog away [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Anytime someone brags about their gun you know it's a coward with a very > small penis I disagree. A good dog will keep deer out. We run great pyreneese with our goats and llamas and deer will not come into the pastures. We also have a catahula dog and she does a great job with deer. She hates them with a passion and will chase them till they leave. She damned near got me trampled by deer last year when she chased them right at me. Randy On Jul 2, 9:32 am, "brooklyn1" <gravesen...@verizon.net> wrote: > A dog cannot run deer off. A large agressive dog will run at deer barking > its head off but it almost appears that the deer are luring the dog away [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Anytime someone brags about their gun you know it's a coward with a very > small penis I disagree. A good dog will keep deer out. We run great pyreneese with our goats and llamas and deer will not come into the pastures. We also have a catahula dog and she does a great job with deer. She hates them with a passion and will chase them till they leave. She damned near got me trampled by deer last year when she chased them right at me. Randy Deer don't care about your livestock, they won't fight to get at them because deer are vegetarian... now if your field were full of crops, like tomatoes, and the deer are hungry, I can guarantee your dogs would haul a.s out of there... in fact your dogs couldn't keep your goats and llamas out of the tomatoes. LOL > Deer don't care about your livestock, they won't fight to get at them > because deer are vegetarian... now if your field were full of crops, like > tomatoes, and the deer are hungry, I can guarantee your dogs would haul a.s > out of there... in fact your dogs couldn't keep your goats and llamas out of > the tomatoes. LOL You haven't got a friggen clue about dogs do you. Deer come into the pasture for water and to eat whatever they can find. They aren't after the goats or llamas but they carry a parasite that will kill both. The dogs keep the deer out and I don't need to worry so much about the parasite. My dogs will also keep people out of their pastures. Want to give it a try and see how it works out for you ? Randy > > Deer don't care about your livestock, they won't fight to get at them > > because deer are vegetarian... now if your field were full of crops, like [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Randy All I can say is, I'm sure glad the deer around here aren't as viscious as the ones he's got... On Jul 2, 2:36 pm, "brooklyn1" <gravesen...@verizon.net> wrote: > Deer don't care about your livestock, they won't fight to get at them > because deer are vegetarian... now if your field were full of crops, like [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of > the tomatoes. LOL You haven't got a friggen clue about dogs do you. Deer come into the pasture for water and to eat whatever they can find. If the deer actually come in then your dogs ain't doing sh.t. They aren't after the goats or llamas but they carry a parasite that will kill both. The dogs keep the deer out and I don't need to worry so much about the parasite. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Herding dogs are not very effective at keeping deer away from similar livestock, I see deer eating right along with llamas, goats, cows, and sheep around here all the time, especially during winter, dog or no dog. The parasites of which you speak are in the ground, keeping deer away won't help, you need to vaccinate your animals. My dogs will also keep people out of their pastures. Want to give it a try and see how it works out for you ? If I show up with a sackful of burgers the worst your dogs will do to me is sniff my crotch. I very likely live in a more rural area than you, most all my neighbors breed livestock, and most have all kinds of dogs, from herding dogs to hunting dogs, to five pound couch potato dogs... none are capable of backing down or taking down a standing deer. Your 150 pound great pyranees is too obese to catch its own tail let alone a deer. Anyone serious about keeping deer away from their livestock should forget dogs and have a few barnyard geese. Geese are tougher and more vicious than any dog, and deer will always back away from geese. Anytime I toss out a loaf of bread the geese eat first, deer wait until the geese are done, and usually get nothing. I keep it fair for the deer by tossing them carrots. Once again, for the slow folks, the only way to protect a vegetable garden from deer is with a proper fence. > On Jul 2, 2:36 pm, "brooklyn1" <gravesen...@verizon.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Once again, for the slow folks, the only way to protect a vegetable garden > from deer is with a proper fence. Last post. Great Pyreneese are livestock guard dogs, not herding dogs. Look it up. The parasite is called meningeal worm. It does not live in the ground. Look it up. My 150 pound Great Pyrenees is hardly obese and would not let you into it's pasture without me introducing you first. Try it, bring the burgers. Deer might get into the pasture when the dogs are elsewhere. They can't watch it all at the same time. They stay with the goats and llamas they are guarding. Once again you know nothing. I don't care what your neighbors raise or what they have. That doesn't appear to help your knowledge a bit. Randy Randy says: > The parasite is called meningeal worm. > It does not live in the ground. Sure it does, as part of its life cycle, the parasite goes from the deer to the ground where it contaminates snails and slugs. Llama do not become infected directly from deer. Llamas become infected by eating the infected snails and slugs. It's more important to keep the snails and slugs from entering the livestock enclosure but that is near impossible as birds also eat slugs and snails and their droppings contain the parasite. Again, the only sure way to keep deer away from your llamas is the same as keeping them from tomatoes, with a proper fence. And there are ways to keep infected snails from your llamas. If meningeal worm is suspected then a vet visit is in order for innoculating your animals. Dogs haven't a whit to do with it and they really can't help much because you have no way of knowing that the deer don't enter your deer pasture when your llama are not there and your dogs are not there (deer are nocturnal), you're fooling yourself. http://www.owning-alpaca.com/meningeal-worm.html > Herding dogs are not very effective at keeping deer away from > similar livestock, I see deer eating right along with llamas, > goats, cows, and sheep around here all the time, especially > during winter, dog or no dog. The parasites of which you speak > are in the ground, keeping deer away won't help, you need to > vaccinate your animals. Great Pyrenees are NOT "herding dogs", milk-for-brains. they are guardian dogs. not "guard dogs" either, guardian. the parasite Randy is talking about is NOT in the ground. it is in deer or slugs. it doesn't affect deer, but it can kill llamas & goats. it also can severely damage cattle. one cannot vaccinate for a parasite. > My dogs will also keep people out of their pastures. > Want to give it a try and see how it works out for you ? > > If I show up with a sackful of burgers the worst your dogs will > do to me is sniff my crotch. wow, you're more clueless than i ever imagined. > I very likely live in a more rural area than you, most all my > neighbors breed livestock, and most have all kinds of dogs, from > herding dogs to hunting dogs, to five pound couch potato dogs... > none are capable of backing down or taking down a standing deer. oh really? > Your 150 pound great pyranees is too obese to catch its own > tail let alone a deer. Anyone serious about keeping deer away [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > done, and usually get nothing. I keep it fair for the deer by > tossing them carrots. oh ghods. you FEED the deer? you ARE insane! and a 150 poud Pyr is nowhere NEAR obese. > Once again, for the slow folks, the only way to protect a > vegetable garden from deer is with a proper fence. <snarf> lee > Has anybody tried this? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > But do they get acclimated and just accept the shower time while > they're munching? ever seen these? http://www.havahart.com/store/animal-repellents/5265 http://www.aimergard.com/Products.aspx |
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