Robert Cohen (Notmilkman) Apologizes
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Mr. Smartypants - 25 Jun 2008 21:42 GMT My Mistake, Sorry!
"A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing." - George Bernard Shaw
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." - Scott Adams (Dilbert)
When I make an error, I fess up, no matter how uncomfortable that might be for me.
In June, I spoke before two vegetarian groups, the first in Northern Connecticut and the second in Rochester, New York. I told both audiences:
"Half the dairy herds in America are infected with mycobacterium paratuberculosis which causes Johne's Disease in cows and Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Ulcerative Colitis, and Crohn's Disease in humans."
I regret the error, and in the name of accuracy, now make this correction regarding my own prior incorrect notion of the percentage of herds in America affected with paratuberculosis.
The June, 2008 issue of Hoard's Dairyman (The National Dairy Farm Magazine), sets the record straight (as reported by Kenneth Olson, National Johne's Education Coordinator, and Robert Whitlock, Co-Chair National Johne's Working Group). In fact, the expert's page 411 commentary reveals:
"Current estimates are that as many as 65 percent of all dairy herds have the disease..."
Forgive me for having underestimated the problem by inaccurately stating that only 50 percent of America's dairy herds are infected with this dangerous bacterium.
On February 25, 2006 (p. 127 Column by veterinarian, Mark Hardesty), Hoard's Dairyman reported:
"Johne's is a disease that we, as an industry, are not getting under control. It is caused by mycobacterium paratuberculosis (MAP) which is a very tough but slow-growing bacteria...MAP has been found in pasteurized milk."
If you have irritable bowels or ulcerative colitis or Crohn's Disease, blame it on your previous dairy consumption. It is clear that the dairy industry had known the risks long before you became infected. Consider:
"Johne's disease and Crohn's disease are remarkably similar in clinical signs and intestinal pathology."
Hoard's Dairyman, January 24, 1995
"Of 77 milk samples (taken from cows with Johne's disease), 11.6% were culture-positive (contained M. paratubercolosis)."
Journal of Clinical Microbiology 1992;30(1):166-171
"Mycobacterium paratuberculosis was isolated from tissue taken from patients with Crohn's disease and is implicated in the etiology of this disease."
Journal of Clinical Microbiology, 1993, May 31(5)
"Mycobacterium Paratuberculosis crosses the species barrier to infect and cause disease in humans."
British Medical Journal, Feb 1998.315
"Mycobacterium paratuberculosis is capable of surviving commercial pasteurization..."
Applied and Environmental Microbiology: 64(3), Mar 1998.
"Mycobacterium paratuberculosis RNA was found in 100% of Crohn's disease patients, compared with 0% of controls."
National Academy of Sciences USA :93: September, 1996
The dairy industry knows the truth. The public does not. Perhaps you can help spread the word that crapshoots do not do the body good. One glass of milk can mean the difference between good health and a lifetime of discomfort.
Robert Cohen http://www.notmilk.com
dkw12002@yahoo.com - 27 Jun 2008 17:27 GMT > My Mistake, Sorry! > [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > Robert Cohenhttp://www.notmilk.com There's a French saying that translates: He who does few things, will do few things wrong, but he will do few things.
People often are so concerned about screwing up that they won't even attempt something or venture out into new situations.
My experience with a dairy farm, in fact the operator was also a rural vet, was to go pick up a 3-day-old calf...many years ago....anyway they separate dairy cows from the calves so they can get the milk and sell the calves often. People usually raise these as veal. I saw his operation. First they brought in stinking, mud soaked cattle. They rinsed off the udders with a spray hose, dipped the teats in a disinfectant to help prevent mastitis, quickly rinsed the udder, but this time used a bucket of water. They used this same rinse bucket as long as I watched. There would obviously be disinfectant, hair, feces or whatever else was floating in the air inside the barn getting into the milk. I doubt everything, especially disinfectant gets filtered out. Most dairy farmers I've run accross do not drink milk. dkw
Rudy Canoza - 27 Jun 2008 18:31 GMT >> My Mistake, Sorry![...] >> >> Robert Cohenhttp://www.notmilk.com Robert Cohen is a failed New Jersey real estate developer who knows NO science or sound nutrition. Cohen bashes milk and other dairy products because he sells a soy milk extraction gadget; truly a fringe product aimed at goofballs. You know you're dealing with a corrupt, dishonest shitbag when he has to bash the competition in order to sell his product.
> There's a French saying that translates: He who does few things, will > do few things wrong, but he will do few things. Cohen gets almost everything wrong.
dkw12002@yahoo.com - 27 Jun 2008 18:45 GMT > dkw12...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> My Mistake, Sorry![...] [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cohen gets almost everything wrong. Thanks.
pearl - 27 Jun 2008 20:17 GMT On Jun 27, 10:31 am, Rudy Canoza <pi...@thedismalscience.not> wrote:
> dkw12...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Jun 25, 1:42 pm, "Mr. Smartypants" <shrubkil...@excite.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Cohen gets almost everything wrong. 'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be painful), and to distract and divert attention away from themselves and their inadequacies. Projection is achieved through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise this, every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes about their target is actually an admission or revelation about themselves. .. The Socialised Psychopath or Sociopath http://www.bullyoffline.org/workbully/serial.htm
: Thanks. "Rudy Canoza" - http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html
Rudy Canoza - 27 Jun 2008 20:44 GMT > On Jun 27, 10:31 am, Rudy Canoza <pi...@thedismalscience.not> wrote: >> dkw12...@yahoo.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > 'Bullies project their inadequacies, You are such a stupid twat.
Mr.Smartypants - 28 Jun 2008 04:07 GMT > > <dkw12...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:348f8353-2709-40fe-b319-12963a088f3e@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > On Jun 27, 10:31 am, Rudy Canoza <pi...@thedismalscience.not> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > You are such a stupid twat.- Still waiting for your proof that Cohen is a failed real estate developer, Boobs.
When are you going to produce it?
Mr.Smartypants - 27 Jun 2008 20:05 GMT > dkw12...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> My Mistake, Sorry![...] [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Robert Cohen is a failed New Jersey real estate developer who knows NO > science or sound nutrition. LOL!!
I've asked before what PROOF you have that Cohen is a failed real estate developer and you NEVER come up with any.
Why is that, Boobs?
And how much science is one required to KNOW to understand the following?
"Johne's disease and Crohn's disease are remarkably similar in clinical signs and intestinal pathology."
Hoard's Dairyman, January 24, 1995
"Of 77 milk samples (taken from cows with Johne's disease), 11.6% were culture-positive (contained M. paratubercolosis)."
Journal of Clinical Microbiology 1992;30(1):166-171
"Mycobacterium paratuberculosis was isolated from tissue taken from patients with Crohn's disease and is implicated in the etiology of this disease."
Journal of Clinical Microbiology, 1993, May 31(5)
"Mycobacterium Paratuberculosis crosses the species barrier to infect and cause disease in humans."
British Medical Journal, Feb 1998.315
"Mycobacterium paratuberculosis is capable of surviving commercial pasteurization..."
Applied and Environmental Microbiology: 64(3), Mar 1998.
"Mycobacterium paratuberculosis RNA was found in 100% of Crohn's disease patients, compared with 0% of controls."
National Academy of Sciences USA :93: September, 1996
Cohen bashes milk and other dairy products
> because he sells a soy milk extraction gadget; truly a fringe product > aimed at goofballs. You know you're dealing with a corrupt, dishonest [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cohen gets almost everything wrong.
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