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Homeowner Forum / Repair / July 2008Auto Paint Query
I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the headlight. I ordered the correct touch-up paint based on the paint color number. I guess I got a little overzealous in my usage, because now I have a pretty funny looking patchwork of obvious touch-up paint swatches in about a six-inch area of the car hood (or bonnet for you brit-holes). There are also a couple of other small spots that look funny. A local auto body place does computer paint matching. Can I have them just paint these areas, or will they want to paint the whole car? How much do you think to just touch-up my rsfck-up? Thanks for any useful information. > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road > pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > just paint these areas, or will they want to paint the whole car? How > much do you think to just touch-up my rsfck-up? Just rub some sand on the newly painted areas. --Tedward > > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road > > pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > --Tedward Do you mean fine-grit sandpaper? > > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road > > pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > --Tedward < <Do you mean fine-grit sandpaper? I was kidding. Fine-grit might actually work, and what the hell, it already looks funny. Go real easy on it though. I trust it's shinier and the color stands out as new, as opposed to the slightly faded paint of the rest of the car. --Tedward > > > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road > > > pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > --Tedward I figured you were yoking. I think I'm going to take it in and have the fine upstanding honest body shop guys give me an estimate. > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the > road [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Thanks for any useful information. They should be able to just fix your mess. At the worst they would repaint the hood. Ken > > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the > > road [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Ken I'm sure prices vary. But, say they wanted to paint the whole hood. What would the going rate be for just that at decent auto body shop? I really don't have a clue what something like this would cost. I've searched the web of semi-useless info, and I can't seem to get a fix on the dollars. I'm sure prices vary. But, say they wanted to paint the whole hood. What would the going rate be for just that at decent auto body shop? I really don't have a clue what something like this would cost. I've searched the web of semi-useless info, and I can't seem to get a fix on the dollars. Figure six hours at local labor rates plus around $40 in materials to do the entire hood. > I'm sure prices vary. But, say they wanted to paint the whole hood. > What would the going rate be for just that at decent auto body shop? I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Figure six hours at local labor rates plus around $40 in materials to do the > entire hood. Looks to be $40-45 an hour around these parts. So, maybe around $300. Do you know if they can take a swipe at touching up small areas on the side of the car, without having to paint an entire door, or quarter- panel, etc.? On Jul 29, 4:57 pm, "PanHandler" <B...@digital.net> wrote: > "Mercellus Bohren" <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the > entire hood. Looks to be $40-45 an hour around these parts. So, maybe around $300. Do you know if they can take a swipe at touching up small areas on the side of the car, without having to paint an entire door, or quarter- panel, etc.? Same likelihood as the hood I would imagine. > On Jul 29, 4:57 pm, "PanHandler" <B...@digital.net> wrote: >> "Mercellus Bohren" <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Same likelihood as the hood I would imagine. The trouble with "touching up small areas" is that the paint, even with computerized color-matching, is never an _exact_ match, so just touching up a small spot leaves a visible repair. The way around it is to use the spray gun to "blend" the color over a relatively wide area resulting in a gradual color change that isn't noticeable.  Signature-- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) > The trouble with "touching up small areas" is that the paint, even > with computerized color-matching, is never an _exact_ match, so just > touching up a small spot leaves a visible repair. The way around it > is to use the spray gun to "blend" the color over a relatively wide > area resulting in a gradual color change that isn't noticeable. I've found that touch-up paint is always darker than the real paint of the car - even on areas such as the sill of the boot/trunk or of the doors which don't see much sunlight so can't fade as a result of this. I've found that the best match comes from cleaning the brush in the lide of the tube of touch-up paint and then dipping it into the very top of the paint (which has been allowed to settle for a long time beforehand without shaking) so as to get the most dilute concentration of pigment in the base material. I know this goes against the advice to shake the paint throughly beforehand! Providing the undercoat is the same colour as the top coat (*) then maybe it's better to cover it with clear lacquer rather than paint. (*) I once had a car with dark green paint that had been applied on a white undercoat, so the least little scratch or stone chip showed up as white :-( In article <08cce828-7f90-4844-9f89-04349aa99d56 @m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, mercellusb@yahoo.com says... > I'm sure prices vary. But, say they wanted to paint the whole hood. > What would the going rate be for just that at decent auto body shop? I > really don't have a clue what something like this would cost. I've > searched the web of semi-useless info, and I can't seem to get a fix > on the dollars. Had you thought about picking up the phone and calling a couple of body shops and actually asking?? > In article <08cce828-7f90-4844-9f89-04349aa99d56 > @m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, mercell...@yahoo.com says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Had you thought about picking up the phone and calling a couple of body > shops and actually asking?? I am hearing impaired and like to use the internet newsgroups if possible, before I go in and have someone take advantage of my disability. Mercellus, Your State probably offers special telephone apparatus for the hearing impaired. Or you could fax or e-mail your query. Dave M. Mercellus Bohren <mercellusb@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1475698e-4ee5-44c8- a73e-ad75159accc3@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: >> In article <08cce828-7f90-4844-9f89-04349aa99d56 >> @m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, mercell...@yahoo.com says... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > possible, before I go in and have someone take advantage of my > disability. Just how "hearing impaired" are you"? SignatureTegger >>> > I'm sure prices vary. But, say they wanted to paint the whole hood. >>> > What would the going rate be for just that at decent auto body shop? I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Just how "hearing impaired" are you"? He can hear a fly landing on a babbling brook. --Tedward >I am hearing impaired and like to use the internet newsgroups if >possible, before I go in and have someone take advantage of my >disability. Mercellus, I am totally sympathetic to this, but the bottom line is that you need to get local prices for this work, which presumably you will be getting done locally. My suggestion, as someone intimately familiar with your circumstances, is to get local prices from several body shops and then post back here with your results to see how they might compare. Make sure they are truly comparable (how many hours of labor, etc.). Even better would be to ask friends and colleagues whom they've used for similar work, especially if they were happy with the businesses years after the work was done. Your quest is a lot easier than mine: I'm getting prices for a driveway resurfacing job, and I'm having a hard time determining which contractors are reliable (this particular line of business is like roofing: full of disreputable characters). JoeSpareBedroom: can you tell me if Tumia Paving is a reliable business? I am avoiding Tandoi based on a couple of suggestions, but I can find nothing on Tumia, and I don't want to be seduced by the nice older couple that came over to give their price last night.... KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote in news:3kdv84la7reqit06ka3kplnuldhfn18261@ 4ax.com: >>I am hearing impaired and like to use the internet newsgroups if >>possible, before I go in and have someone take advantage of my >>disability. > > Mercellus, I am totally sympathetic to this, Don't be. At least not until he gives some sort of details about his "impairment". SignatureTegger >KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote in news:3kdv84la7reqit06ka3kplnuldhfn18261@ >4ax.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Don't be. At least not until he gives some sort of details >about his "impairment". Excuse me? Why does s/he owe you or anyone else "details about his 'impairment'"? My interpretation, which no doubt you will reject, is that s/he is not comfortable making inquiries on the telephone (which, as Doug Miller pointed out, can be worked around by using the various relay services, but which are cumbersome compared with the ease that non-hearing-impaired people use the phone), or s/he may not understand people clearly when talking to them in person. Regardless, the OP is expressing a not uncommon feeling of uncertainty about the information being gathered, especially as a member of a group of people famously disconnected and cut off from the incidental flow of information you (presumably hearing as more than 90% of the populace is) take for granted. Some day you might be in this category, you know, and you'd appreciate a little sensitivity and respect. KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote in news:r2gv849j8hi96bauuq5uv6s75s8tg45pgb@ 4ax.com: >>KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote in news:3kdv84la7reqit06ka3kplnuldhfn18261@ >>4ax.com: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > granted. Some day you might be in this category, you know, and you'd > appreciate a little sensitivity and respect. I AM in that category, hence my posts. SignatureTegger >KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote in news:r2gv849j8hi96bauuq5uv6s75s8tg45pgb@ >4ax.com: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >I AM in that category, hence my posts. I still don't understand why you need details about his/her disability before allowing yourself to be sympathetic. Is there some "I'm more deaf than you" standard of yours s/he has to meet? > I still don't understand why you need details about his/her disability > before allowing yourself to be sympathetic. Is there some "I'm more > deaf than you" standard of yours s/he has to meet? I know why you're doing this. You're just trying to be nice; to be a good person, sticking up for life's downtrodden. That's a normal reaction, and an admirable one. It helps prove that human beings are, in the main, decent, caring, and just want to help make things better. But in reacting this way, you're not seeing the difference between having a problem and using that problem as a self-serving ruse for other things. What got my back up was the OP's use of official deaf-bureaucracy buzzwords, like "hearing impaired", and "disability", and then playing the victim card by saying he was worried somebody would "take advantage" of him because of his "disability". I have one working ear, with a hearing aid stuck in that one (deafness diagnosed at age 5; am 46 now). I have less unassisted hearing than most people officially classified as deaf. In spite of that, I function more-or- less normally in hearing society. It irks me no end to have the deaf and/or hard-of-hearing crowd pull the victim thing. Just speaking for myself, of course, I find the idea of victimization to be grossly insulting, as is the idea of "impaired" or "disabled", especially in the sense of that condition requiring me to receive special treatment, or making me subject to specially bad treatment. SignatureTegger >> I still don't understand why you need details about his/her disability >> before allowing yourself to be sympathetic. Is there some "I'm more [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >in the sense of that condition requiring me to receive special treatment, >or making me subject to specially bad treatment. Sounds very distinctly like a personal problem. >> I still don't understand why you need details about his/her disability >> before allowing yourself to be sympathetic. Is there some "I'm more [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >this way, you're not seeing the difference between having a problem and >using that problem as a self-serving ruse for other things. I think you forgot that after warming up the OP with a little sympathy, I told him/her s/he really had to get local quotes, period, and would get more productive responses here by posting those as points of comparison. >What got my back up was the OP's use of official deaf-bureaucracy >buzzwords, like "hearing impaired", and "disability", and then playing the >victim card by saying he was worried somebody would "take advantage" of him >because of his "disability". I understand this, too (you and I have a lot more in common than you might realize), but in my opinion your initial response was not instructive enough to the OP to avoid this kind of language. What you say here makes a lot more sense. >I have one working ear, with a hearing aid stuck in that one (deafness >diagnosed at age 5; am 46 now). I have less unassisted hearing than most >people officially classified as deaf. In spite of that, I function more-or- >less normally in hearing society. It irks me no end to have the deaf and/or >hard-of-hearing crowd pull the victim thing. Don't forget: your success in society does not assure others' similar success. What works for you doesn't for a lot of people, especially if they can't talk or speechread. And simply notifying people that they're deaf or h-o-h isn't a "pull the victim thing" in my book as it helps people understand whom they're dealing with. But I do agree that often this information is irrelevant to matters at hand on newsgroups. Cocktail parties and job interviews are entirely different situations. >Just speaking for myself, of course, I find the idea of victimization to be >grossly insulting, as is the idea of "impaired" or "disabled", especially >in the sense of that condition requiring me to receive special treatment, >or making me subject to specially bad treatment. Makes sense to me, too. In article <1475698e-4ee5-44c8-a73e-ad75159accc3@ 34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, mercellusb@yahoo.com says... > > In article <08cce828-7f90-4844-9f89-04349aa99d56 > > @m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, mercell...@yahoo.com says... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > possible, before I go in and have someone take advantage of my > disability. I have a friend who's totally deaf. We talk on the phone anyway, using a relay service. > > "Mercellus Bohren" <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > searched the web of semi-useless info, and I can't seem to get a fix > on the dollars. Why don't you just buy a can of flat-black spray paint and use it to paint the hood. If your wife says anything, tell her you did this to reduce sun glare. >>>> I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the >>>> road [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > paint the hood. If your wife says anything, tell her you did this to > reduce sun glare. Take it to Earl Scheib. He'll paint ANY car for just Twenty-nine ninety-five! SignatureYrs., Ike ******************************************************** "L'audace, L'audace, Toujour L'audace." ******************************************************** http://www.frappr.com/rsfckers >Take it to Earl Scheib. He'll paint ANY car for just Twenty-nine >ninety-five! Friend of mine checked into that back in the 70s.... the ads said "we'll paint your entire car for only $29.95." He found that was literally true. If you wanted them to mask off the glass, tires, trim, headlights, taillights, turn signals, and so forth before they started spraying -- well, that was an extra couple hundred dollars. >>Take it to Earl Scheib. He'll paint ANY car for just Twenty-nine >>ninety-five! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >turn signals, and so forth before they started spraying -- well, that was an >extra couple hundred dollars. No it wasn't. The labor charge was 29.95. The extra cost was for materials and paint. It was not anywhere near a couple hundred dollars. The masking job was not always exactly perfect, but they did mask the car. You can still get a "production" paint job a Maaco today for about $400 complete. >>In article <9F1kk.7863$qg.6387@fe115.usenetserver.com>, Ike <IKE@SHAEF.NET> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >not always exactly perfect, but they did mask the car. You can still get a >"production" paint job a Maaco today for about $400 complete. I'm just telling you what my friend told me... > In article <uo42941che6e3n3jcp8abnvn7uq8enk...@4ax.com>, sa...@dog.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I'm just telling you what my friend told me... Now that's funny. >I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road >pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Thanks for any useful information. I've had good luck with this product on touch up paint spots on my RX-7: http://www.langka.com/ > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road > pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks for any useful information. I wouldn't waste your money if I was you. What you should do is get all your cash and blow it on crack and prostitutes, believe me you won't regret it. However if you are adamant, a garage near me called Turd Polishers Ltd will do it for fifty quid. PS, Do you know a good cure for itchy bollocks? > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road > pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks for any useful information. Is this the old SAAB? If so, roll that thing into Earl Scheib and tell 'em you want the $300 special. You might want to ask if you can stick around and help 'em tape it, so they don't paint your tires, rims, and windows. While we're on the topic, what appears to be the clear coat on my 95 BMW has blistered and cracked in a few spots on the trunk lid - must've been bird turd - any recommendations for that? a. Is this the old SAAB? If so, roll that thing into Earl Scheib and tell 'em you want the $300 special. You might want to ask if you can stick around and help 'em tape it, so they don't paint your tires, rims, and windows. While we're on the topic, what appears to be the clear coat on my 95 BMW has blistered and cracked in a few spots on the trunk lid - must've been bird turd - any recommendations for that? How would the overspray hit the "rims" and not the entire wheel? :-) It's a good thing elephants don't fly! > <the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > How would the overspray hit the "rims" and not the entire wheel? :-) Overspray? This is Earl Scheib, that wouldn't be overspray. If it ain't taped, it's painted. a. >> How would the overspray hit the "rims" and not the entire wheel? =A0 :-) > >Overspray? This is Earl Scheib, that wouldn't be overspray. If it >ain't taped, it's painted. Hey, at least they use the spray gun instead of a 4" brush.... --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > >> How would the overspray hit the "rims" and not the entire wheel? > =A0 :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Hey, at least they use the spray gun instead of a 4" brush.... > --scott I remember a maintenance department pickup my highschool had painted back in 1974. Literally _everything_ was painted schoolbuss yellow except the headlights and the windows. We thought it was the funniest thing we'd ever seen. Back then they had a $29.95 special, as I recall it, and my school got every drop of paint they could. SignatureSteve Bell New Life Home Improvement Arlington, TX On Jul 30, 7:20 am, "the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com" <the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road > > pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Is this the old SAAB? If so, roll that thing into Earl Scheib and > tell 'em you want the $300 special. My old '97 Saab died on the operating table at the Saab Specialist a couple of weeks ago. She was never the same after I drove her underwater for a few seconds a year or so ago. I bought a low-mileage 2002 Saab 95 3.0t V6 Arc. It's got air-conditioned seats! The paint is still good on it, so I think I'll just get the body shop guys to take a look and see what they can do. > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road > pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the > headlight. I ordered the correct touch-up paint based on the paint > color number. I guess I got a little overzealous in my usage, because > now I have a pretty funny looking patchwork of obvious touch-up paint Touch up paint in the $5 sticks requires real skill to apply (almost invisibly) Spray cans of touch up paint (custom- mixed, about $25) require much less skill to apply invisibly, so long as you apply thinnest coats over the largest area. To restore shine, most paint repairs also require a top coat of uncoloured shiny finish, also available to the maker's specifications from specialist paint mixing shops. SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road > pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks for any useful information. In addition to the other suggestions you've received on this issue, if you want to try to fix it yourself, you could do the following... make sure that the touch up paint that you have applied is *above* the surface of the original paint. If not, put some more on. Get to a real auto paint supply and get yourself a "nib file" or "run razor" or similar device, an assortment of fine (1000-2000) grit sandpaper, a good power buffer and lambswool pad, and some polishing compound. Explain to the counter guy what you're trying to do, he will likely be able to offer recommendations on specific products to use. Carefully bring the level of the touch up paint down to the level of the surrounding paint with the nib file, taking care not to actually cut into the original paint. Then wash the panel THOROUGHLY with dish soap and warm water, rinse, and wet sand the panel lightly with fine grit sandpaper - nothing you'll find at your local hardware store, start with 1000 or 1500, work up to 2000. Don't try to take a whole lot of paint off, you're just gently smoothing the surface. Then buff with polishing compound on a lambswool pad, wash again with your dish soap, and apply two or three coats of good wax. enjoy! nate > > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road > > pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > nate Damb, Nate. The rscking intertubes were useful today. Thx bud. I TOLD YOU TO SAND IT YOU LOOSER!!! --Tedward On Jul 29, 4:59 pm, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I decided to do some touch-up painting on my car where the road > pebbles had dinged the paint on the hood in the front near the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks for any useful information. In addition to the other suggestions you've received on this issue, if you want to try to fix it yourself, you could do the following... make sure that the touch up paint that you have applied is *above* the surface of the original paint. If not, put some more on. Get to a real auto paint supply and get yourself a "nib file" or "run razor" or similar device, an assortment of fine (1000-2000) grit sandpaper, a good power buffer and lambswool pad, and some polishing compound. Explain to the counter guy what you're trying to do, he will likely be able to offer recommendations on specific products to use. Carefully bring the level of the touch up paint down to the level of the surrounding paint with the nib file, taking care not to actually cut into the original paint. Then wash the panel THOROUGHLY with dish soap and warm water, rinse, and wet sand the panel lightly with fine grit sandpaper - nothing you'll find at your local hardware store, start with 1000 or 1500, work up to 2000. Don't try to take a whole lot of paint off, you're just gently smoothing the surface. Then buff with polishing compound on a lambswool pad, wash again with your dish soap, and apply two or three coats of good wax. enjoy! nate > I TOLD YOU TO SAND IT YOU LOOSER!!! > > --Tedward 42 MESSAGES TO GET BACK THE FIRST ANSWER!!!!!1111 THIS GOES ON YOUR PERMANENT RECORD!!!!!! [rutsie marker] > > I TOLD YOU TO SAND IT YOU LOOSER!!! > > > --Tedward > > 42 MESSAGES TO GET BACK THE FIRST ANSWER!!!!!1111 THIS GOES ON YOUR > PERMANENT RECORD!!!!!! [rutsie marker] great, I try to help and now I have the Violent Femmes stuck in my head. thanks a lot! (kidding, I think...) nate > > I TOLD YOU TO SAND IT YOU LOOSER!!! > > > --Tedward > > 42 MESSAGES TO GET BACK THE FIRST ANSWER!!!!!1111 THIS GOES ON YOUR > PERMANENT RECORD!!!!!! [rutsie marker] < <great, I try to help and now I have the Violent Femmes stuck in my <head. thanks a lot! (kidding, I think...) Welcome to rsfc, where no good deed goes un-pun-ished. And it could have been worse. It could have been The Wiggles. Think about that the next your driving around with an alligator or dressing up as a gay pirate. --Tedward |
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