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Bob - 16 Nov 2003 00:41 GMT
I have a cement basement floor that has never been sealed or painted.  I am
getting a white residue from time to time. Bleach does not get rid of it, so
I'm figuring that maybe this is a mineral deposit?  The basement has high
humidity and is musty at times.  Ideas?

I was wondering if applying a seal coat would elimate this.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Bob Z
Terry - 16 Nov 2003 03:19 GMT
> I have a cement basement floor that has never been sealed or painted.  I am
> getting a white residue from time to time. Bleach does not get rid of it, so
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>
> Bob Z

Is that what is called "Efflorescence"; i.e. what happens when
excessive moisture leaches lime and other chemical 'salts' out of
the cement. Since cement is made with lime (Calcium Hydroxide?),
an alkaline, I guess that using bleach (Sodium
Hydroxide/Hypochloride or is it Hypochlorite?) wouldn't do
anything to 'dissolve' the whitish residue or crust?
Is acid ever used? What's that stuff that bricklayers use to
clean up lime mortar splashes etc.
Perhaps someone with a better grasp than my out of date and
poorly remembered High School Chemistry could come to the rescue?
High humidity? Wet ground? Poor drainage under basement floor?
Rot, allergies to mould, damp insulation etc. Some ventilation
might help?
mark Ransley - 16 Nov 2003 04:46 GMT
Water is pushing up and  effloresing,  muriatic acid will remove it  .
You should run a dehumidifier . I  take it you have no drain tile
system. You probably have a high water table and it will continue.
Paint will only peel  till you fix it.
Nostradamus - 17 Nov 2003 06:41 GMT
i wonder, is it only seen on the floor slab? do you see anything at
the foundation walls?
how old is the house? was there work done to increase the basement
height by digging down? its going to be hard to find if you have a
drain tile or not, and harder to install not to mention big bucks. you
have to help minimize the water going to your foundation. start out
with the downspouts, make sure they extend out from the wall about
6ft, the further the less water outside your foundation.

>Water is pushing up and  effloresing,  muriatic acid will remove it  .
>You should run a dehumidifier . I  take it you have no drain tile
>system. You probably have a high water table and it will continue.
>Paint will only peel  till you fix it.
George E. Cawthon - 17 Nov 2003 00:51 GMT
> > I have a cement basement floor that has never been sealed or painted.  I am
> > getting a white residue from time to time. Bleach does not get rid of it, so
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> Rot, allergies to mould, damp insulation etc. Some ventilation
> might help?

Whoa, some correct names are: lye is sodium hydroxide,
bleach is sodium hypochlorite, lime is calcium oxide, and
slaked lime is wet calcium oxide (calcium hydroxide).  All
are basic, so to dissolve them you need an acid.  Weak
hydrochloric acid will dissolve the white stuff.  

Improved drainage would probably help, and you might improve
your situation if you better manage runoff from your roof
(move it away from the house) but if you have poor
subsurface drainage you might not be able to do much about
it without great expense.  Beyond that I'll leave it to the
concrete specialists.  Ventilation will certainly help in
reducing any possible mold problems.
PhotoMan - 16 Nov 2003 06:27 GMT
> I have a cement basement floor that has never been sealed or painted.  I am
> getting a white residue from time to time. Bleach does not get rid of it, so
> I'm figuring that maybe this is a mineral deposit?  The basement has high
> humidity and is musty at times.  Ideas?
>
> I was wondering if applying a seal coat would elimate this.

Not likely - a surface coating won't overcome the hydrostatic pressure.
Mike Hunt - 16 Nov 2003 07:00 GMT
> I have a cement basement floor that has never been sealed or painted.  I am
> getting a white residue from time to time. Bleach does not get rid of it, so
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>
> Bob Z

Waterproofing Membranes from Laticrete may help you.

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Chief - 16 Nov 2003 11:49 GMT
> > I have a cement basement floor that has never been sealed or painted.  I am
> > getting a white residue from time to time. Bleach does not get rid of it, so
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>
> Waterproofing Membranes from Laticrete may help you.

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3rd Generation - 16 Nov 2003 17:59 GMT
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> > --
> > Mike Hunt
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B - 19 Nov 2003 13:27 GMT
Search the web for "Efflorescence". You have it.
-Bruce

> I have a cement basement floor that has never been sealed or painted.  I am
> getting a white residue from time to time. Bleach does not get rid of it, so
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>
> Bob Z
Liam McConn - 19 Nov 2003 16:22 GMT
> Search the web for "Efflorescence". You have it.
> -Bruce

Wow thanks B.  That makes a half dozen in this thread that have ALLREADY
said that.  For a top-posting imbecile you're originality is exceptional..

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Forrest - 20 Nov 2003 16:58 GMT
For a bottom posting imbecile your spelling is "aLLready" the best we've
seen.

> > Search the web for "Efflorescence". You have it.
> > -Bruce
>
> Wow thanks B.  That makes a half dozen in this thread that have ALLREADY
> said that.  For a top-posting imbecile you're originality is exceptional..
Casey Stamper - 20 Nov 2003 17:15 GMT
> For a bottom posting imbecile your spelling is "aLLready" the best
> we've seen.
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>> ALLREADY said that.  For a top-posting imbecile you're originality is
>> exceptional..

Not to mention the incorrect usage of "you're."

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Liam McConn - 20 Nov 2003 17:36 GMT
>>For a bottom posting imbecile your spelling is "aLLready" the best
>>we've seen.

> Not to mention the incorrect usage of "you're."

ahh.. hook line and sinker.  stinkbait.  always the ticket.

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