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Homeowner Forum / Pest Control / February 2007European Wasps?
European Wasps? Please do not ask me to: - Contact my local Council - Contact a European Wasp Hotline - Build a European Wasp Trap I want to be clear on these matters. I am trying to find out if there is any type of insecticide powder / liquid that can be lightly coated (or thoroughly mixed) on mince meat, so European Wasps will be willing to eat the meat.....and most importantly.....take it back to their nests? The trick is not to repel them from the meat. I know that European Wasps love eating mince meat, but is there anything even MORE attractive to them? Something that would send them crazy with hunger. - Mince meat + sugar? - Mince meat + jam? - Mince meat + honey? - Tinned pet food? - A specific type of tinned pet food that is most attractive? - Tinned pet food with any of the above mixtures? What would happen if you put some mince meat in a plastic zip-loc bag, and sprayed copious amounts of fly spray inside, then thoroughly mixed it in? Any advice at all? Regards Shazlikd > European Wasps? > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Any advice at all? http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/research/biosecurity/stowaways/idsurveillance/ spurr_wasp_trap.asp http://alaskaoutdoorjournal.com/Departments/Tips/yellowjacket50.html rob > > European Wasps? > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > > > Any advice at all? http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/research/biosecurity/stowaways/idsurveillance/ spurr_wasp_trap.asp > http://alaskaoutdoorjournal.com/Departments/Tips/yellowjacket50.html > > rob http://alaskaoutdoorjournal.com/Departments/Tips/yellowjacket50.html page 6 > European Wasps? > I am trying to find out if there is any type of insecticide powder / > liquid that can be lightly coated (or thoroughly mixed) on mince meat, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > but is there anything even MORE attractive to them? Something that > would send them crazy with hunger. Probably any of the inorganic dusts that are commonly used in pest control may work... boric acid, diatamaceous earth, silica gel. The guess work would be how much (little) would be the amount to mix with the bait matrix to have any effect without making the bait unattractive to them. > What would happen if you put some mince meat in a plastic zip-loc bag, > and sprayed copious amounts of fly spray inside, then thoroughly mixed > it in? > > Any advice at all? Would think the chemicals in the aerosol would make the bait unattractive to them. Early Spring the wasps will be feeding on strictly sweet liquids, yellow jacket traps baited with juice concentrates (I always have had good luck with apple concentrate for yellow jackets) probably will attract them. Later in the year, when they are hunting insects you may switch the bait to tuna fish, or whatever you feel they will feed on. Lar Lar schrieb: >> European Wasps? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the bait matrix to have any effect without making the bait unattractive > to them. Boric acid OK, but DE or silica gel? These work from outside interfering with the cuticle wax layer (some claim they'd block spiracles, but that's guesswork and not yet proven). I do not know any mention that they'd have any potential as stomach poisons. >> What would happen if you put some mince meat in a plastic zip-loc bag, >> and sprayed copious amounts of fly spray inside, then thoroughly mixed [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Later in the year, when they are hunting insects you may switch the bait > to tuna fish, or whatever you feel they will feed on. A mixture of vinegar (a lot) and strawberry jam (some) once attracted some 600 wasps per day (for almost three weeks) into a funnel trap I had put up on my balcony ... a drop or two of detergent helped them drown. OK, that's not the bait idea you're pursuing - but that, after all, may not exactly be what you want anyway: Where's the benefit to bait countless wasps without knowing where their nest(s) are? You might be killing off dozens of nests all over the place without seeing one wasp less where they disturb you. OTOH, when you can access the nest you can save yourself the baiting troubles and go about the job the easy way. There's only one purpose baits could serve when dealing with wasps, and that's attracting them away from areas (like placing a "ring" of baits around a food premises in order to have wasps visit your traps rather than the inside). Cheers, Uli  SignatureAntworten bitte an: pco<AT>gmx<DOT>net oder in der NG reply to pco<AT>gmx<DOT>net or to the ng, please web.de is my spam trap - Sorry for the inconvenience! Uli Regarding European Wasps, you mentioned the following *might* work as possible posion baits - "Boric acid OK, but DE or silica gel" Can you please elaborate on this? I could not fully understand what you were saying. I am well aware of how to build a European Wasp "Trap", but not sure about how to bait them. > Uli > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > you were saying. I am well aware of how to build a European Wasp > "Trap", but not sure about how to bait them. Not Uli, but Boric acid is a stomach toxin and is an ingredient of many ant/roach baits, so theoretically it may work with the wasp bait if they do eat it. Where as DE and silica gel are desiccants, they basically cut into the waxy outer layer of an insect as they crawl through it and they "dehydrate", they are not taken internally. I threw out silica gel may work for more than once while attending seminars a speaker has mentioned using silica gel in a bait matrix with success, though the mixtures seem to be the opposite of what boric acid is.. very little with BA heavier mixture of silica gel and I am not sure if the thought is to kill them internally or if because an insect is digging into the bait it will be scratching it's outer surface. Though my personal opinion is, for wasps what you are trying to accomplish may not work. Lar > shazl...@yahoo.com.au wrote: > > Uli [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Lar Lar I read your message above. Thankyou. Boric Acid may possibly work against European Wasps......in theory. Perhaps. Having said that, there are a few points I would like to mention: We have a commercially available product where I live called ANT-RID liquid (with Boric Acid derivative), or ANT-RID baits (with Firpronil). The Anti-Rid BAITS are in a cartridge type set-up, similar to cockroach baits. http://www.antrid.com.au/ If you were going to use one / both of these products, any advice at all? Would you mix them with meat, as European Wasps are strongly attracted to meat? What would happen if you mixed household Borax powder with honey and / or meat? Any general suggestions? >>shazl...@yahoo.com.au wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > or meat? > Any general suggestions? Sorry I really don't have an opinion on if you would be able to create a wasp bait by using the ant baits. The manufacturer has their recipe pretty fined tuned towards the target pest (ants) and changing it up just a bit may make them less desirable to the target pest, much less any other insect. Wasps in general will be attracted to liquid sweets in the Spring and Fall. In the Summer months (I forget how it works down there, is your Summer months Dec , Jan, Feb, or do yall just consider your Winter hot and Summers cold)..any who, in the hot months they chew on meat which in turn they feed to their larvae that turns the meat into a sweet liquid and they now feed the adults. So the time of year when the nest is not producing larvae they will be feeding on nectar...soda water..beer etc. This is the best times to try to reduce the numbers with a trap though I have heard of people using tuna fish in the traps during the hot months and still catch wasps. Lar >Lar schrieb: >>> European Wasps? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >that's guesswork and not yet proven). I do not know any mention that >they'd have any potential as stomach poisons. Borax would do - its easy to get, quantities of about 1 to 2% are used in ant rid. Ants and bees are descended from wasps so the same kind of chemical will kill them. Tartar emetic is used too, but is harder to get - try a homiopathic chemist. Lead acetate may do the job too, but could leave toxic remainders in the environment. I would not expect that silica gel would be harmful to eat. X X X X X >What would happen if you put some mince meat in a plastic zip-loc bag, >and sprayed copious amounts of fly spray inside, then thoroughly mixed >it in? Another source of insecticides for your experimentation would be those in the gardening section of stores. A bit of malathion (sp?) can be added to homemade fruit fly lures to kill the flies, so I'd guess it would do the same for wasps. SignatureJohn Savage (my news address is not valid for email) Here in the Meds we take a Cola bottle, cut of the upper half and press that upside down in the lower half. The bottle is partly filled with some beer mixed with fruit juice and hung by a piece of wire. The wasps go in, cannot find the the exit hole and drown. It takes some time for the first wasps to come in, but then an avalanche effect starts because the smell of decaying insects attracts them. Some farmers have their own secret recipe, like white wine with lavender or chicken soup, but I think it works with any liquid when it's hot and the wasps are thirsty. > >What would happen if you put some mince meat in a plastic zip-loc bag, > >and sprayed copious amounts of fly spray inside, then thoroughly mixed [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) On Jan 25, 2:28 am, shazl...@yahoo.com.au wrote: <brevity snip> > European Wasps? > > Any advice at all? 1- Find nest. 2- Kill it. 3- Pop a pint. ----- - gpsman > 1- Find nest. 2- Kill it. 3- Pop a pint. One for me, too ... perfect answer! Cheers, Uli SignatureAntworten bitte an: pco<AT>gmx<DOT>net oder in der NG reply to pco<AT>gmx<DOT>net or to the ng, please web.de is my spam trap - Sorry for the inconvenience! |
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