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Homeowner Forum / Home Automation / July 2009New HA product development
I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on bringing it to the market. I am looking for someone who can develop a small hardware/firmware device. You will need knowlegde of devloping ethernet firmware application, electronic circuitry design, and other knowledge skills. Contacts and knowledge in manufacturing from design, and packaging is a plus. If you or someone you know is interested please contact me throught the contact form on my website below. You will need to sign a Non Compete agreement and a Non Disclosure agreement prior to getting details of the project. There is no pay up front but you will be given royalties from the sale of the product. You must be a US citizen, and have a resume for submittal. College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge to complete the project over the summer.  SignatureBrett Griffin, Technology Consultant Architechtronics, Inc. get to know home technologyT p. (610) 825.7018 f (215) 827.5484 *top 10 reasons to use Architechtronics for your next project http://www.architechtronics.com/top10.html **keep up on cutting-edge technology... join "the EDGE" for free at http://www.architectronics.com/edge.html ------------------------------------------- > I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on > bringing it to the market. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge > to complete the project over the summer. If I felt like doing all of that crap, what would I need you for? Oh! I get it! The idea! I'm sure that you'll be overwhelmed with applicants for your little opportunity to spend the summer working for free, just so _you_ can make a bunch of money off your precious idea, while paying the guy who did all of the work, a _royalty_? Gimme 5K up front, and a guarantee of 60% of gross sales, and I'll consider it. Thanks! Rich If you're on glue I recommend you stop immediately --- the long term negative health effects far outweigh any short term 'rush' you may be getting out of it. If you aren't on glue then, um --- I don't know, maybe you're just plain stupid. >If you're on glue I recommend you stop immediately --- the long term >negative health effects far outweigh any short term 'rush' you may be >getting out of it. If you aren't on glue then, um --- I don't know, maybe >you're just plain stupid. --- Hey, Rich, Check it out... That stupid f.ck originally signed on as "Tom" something or other and has been trolling ever since. SignatureJohn Fields Professional Circuit Designer Yeah Rich, look, maybe together, if we both try to gang up on the troll, maybe I'll be more successfull than last time when I got bitched out real bad. signed John (the informant) Fields >Yeah Rich, look, maybe together, if we both try to gang up on the troll, >maybe I'll be more successfull than last time when I got bitched out real >bad. >signed >John (the informant) Fields You are missing out on a great opportunity here. Let's look at the original post, where he writes: "I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on bringing it to the market. I am looking for someone who can develop a small hardware/firmware device. You will need knowlegde of devloping ethernet firmware application, electronic circuitry design, and other knowledge skills. Contacts and knowledge in manufacturing from design, and packaging is a plus. There is no pay up front but you will be given royalties from the sale of the product." (Wonders out loud) now where would you send someone who wants to talk about getting someone to do his product development for him at zero pay? Why, misc.business.product-dev of course! >>Yeah Rich, look, maybe together, if we both try to gang up on the troll, >>maybe I'll be more successfull than last time when I got bitched out real [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > talk about getting someone to do his product development for him > at zero pay? Why, misc.business.product-dev of course! ROFLMAOPIMP!!!! Thanks! Rich 'scuse - gotta go hit another bowl.... I apologize If I pissed anyone off. I have an idea that several clients have asked for. I don't have $5000 to pay someone to develop this. I have the idea, and I have clients, marketing and sales. I don't see why splitting the profits is such a bad idea, I have several software developers that do this with me and they don't complain. It works for both parties, I had the idea, and I sell it. That is what I bring to the table. I have the marketing the relationships and the sales process completed. My idea should not take more than a couple of hours of a good designers time. If it does than you are not a good designer. SignatureBrett Griffin, Technology Consultant Architechtronics, Inc. get to know home technologyT p. (610) 825.7018 f (215) 827.5484 *top 10 reasons to use Architechtronics for your next project http://www.architechtronics.com/top10.html **keep up on cutting-edge technology... join "the EDGE" for free at http://www.architectronics.com/edge.html ------------------------------------------- >I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on >bringing it to the market. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge > to complete the project over the summer. >I apologize If I pissed anyone off. I have an idea that several clients >have asked for. I don't have $5000 to pay someone to develop this. I have [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >My idea should not take more than a couple of hours of a good designers >time. If it does than you are not a good designer. --- $5000 for a couple of hours of design time? LOL, even _I_ don't charge that much! A _good_ designer shouldn't have to take any of the risk and is just plain stupid if he agrees to get paid on the come, and then, out of profits, if there are any! A more equitable plan would be to offer a percentage of the sales, which then takes all of the profit-eating mechanisms out of the picture. All you're trying to do is get some poor sad-sack to design something up for you, for free, which you'll never have to pay for if you don't want to. Count me out! SignatureJohn Fields Professional Circuit Designer >My idea should not take more than a couple of hours of a good designers >time. If it does than you are not a good designer. If you think that writing ethernet firmware and designing electronic circuitry should not take more than a couple of hours, then you are not a good technology consultant. > If you think that writing ethernet firmware and designing electronic > circuitry should not take more than a couple of hours, then you are > not a good technology consultant. That depends on the nature of the product. Suppose he's automating a PEZ dispenser. :^) Don't bother with these neurotic buffoons Brett, they're a complete waste of time. The only thing they're good at is justifying their self-serving dysfunctionality. You could offer them the deal of a lifetime and they'd find a reason to refuse it because they know any involvement with a serious developer will expose them. >Don't bother with these neurotic buffoons Brett, they're a complete waste of >time. The only thing they're good at is justifying their self-serving >dysfunctionality. You could offer them the deal of a lifetime and they'd >find a reason to refuse it because they know any involvement with a serious >developer will expose them. As one who earns 100% of my income DESIGNING, Brett's offer is plain BS, and won't draw any responders other than amateurs. There's no contract there... just bait for suckers. And, WTF is "fleen_squigger"? Ever made more than US$5/hour ?:-) ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. >>Don't bother with these neurotic buffoons Brett, they're a complete waste of >>time. The only thing they're good at is justifying their self-serving [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >And, WTF is "fleen_squigger"? Ever made more than US$5/hour ?:-) --- He's a brain-dead troll from alt.electronics who likes to play stupid games. SignatureJohn Fields Professional Circuit Designer > On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:47:38 -0700, Jim Thompson >>And, WTF is "fleen_squigger"? Ever made more than US$5/hour ?:-) > > --- > He's a brain-dead troll from alt.electronics who likes to play stupid > games. It's my fault. I accidentally crossposted troll-food the other day. Please, don't punish me! Love, The Moderator Of The Pissing Box > As one who earns 100% of my income DESIGNING Yet has enough free time to waste it on newsgroups... Yeah, sounds like wishful thinking to me ... >> As one who earns 100% of my income DESIGNING > > Yet has enough free time to waste it on newsgroups... As opposed to you and fleen making your income by being dinks in newsgroups. Sounds right. SignatureKeith Shut up! Do you want 'a.s-barphed' to start writing another one of his patented, "John, the Rhyming Retard" poems about it? Roses are red violets are blue my name is John and I'm stupid! signed, the Stylish Tusker BTW, who put a quarter in your slot? > Shut up! Do you want 'a.s-barphed' to start writing another one of his > patented, "John, the Rhyming Retard" poems about it? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > signed, the Stylish Tusker That's the best you can rhyme? Figures. > BTW, who put a quarter in your slot? Unlike you two, I don't get my money from a welfare check. I have plenty of quarters and don't need the permission of net-dinks. SignatureKeith Wow, you really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you? That 'poetry' was an example of just how incredibly bad a.s-barphed's poetry is, not my own! Hello --- it's supposed to be bad! My god, how do you function? Sorry Kieth, I just cannot buy into this fallacy that you are some kind of electronics professional, more likely you are a victim of lunatic asylum budget-cutbacks --- they thought you'd be ok as long as you took your medication, and kicked you out to save money. >Wow, you really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you? That >'poetry' was an example of just how incredibly bad a.s-barphed's poetry is, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >lunatic asylum budget-cutbacks --- they thought you'd be ok as long as you >took your medication, and kicked you out to save money. And you, "fleen_squigger", are "some kind of electronics professional"?? Bwahahahaha! You're just another puke-punk. PLONK! ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. >>Wow, you really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you? That >>'poetry' was an example of just how incredibly bad a.s-barphed's poetry is, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >And you, "fleen_squigger", are "some kind of electronics >professional"?? --- He's a sophomoric little ham from Vancouver ("Tom, VA7FAB") who advocated (in a newsgroup, yet) using lightly trafficked spectrum space illegally by not doing it enough to get caught. He gets himself all worked up from time to time and likes to try to annoy me because I threatened to turn his slimy little criminal a.s in to the authorities and because I gave him some information about SKYPE that he didn't want to hear about. A real maggot. SignatureJohn Fields Professional Circuit Designer >>>Wow, you really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you? That >>>'poetry' was an example of just how incredibly bad a.s-barphed's poetry is, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >A real maggot. Turn him in. I always get great enjoyment from doing that ;-) ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. > >>Wow, you really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you? That > >>'poetry' was an example of just how incredibly bad a.s-barphed's poetry is, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > and because I gave him some information about SKYPE that he didn't > want to hear about. By "illegally" do you mean without a license, or intruding into forbidden bands? Don't the airwaves belong to the people? Shouldn't the people be allowed to make any use they want of the airwaves, as long as they don't interfere with properly licensed/permitted signals, or cause a hazard to others? The feds can be so picky. I am aware of a local ham who altered his portable to be able to listen to police bands. While mountain-biking with friends, one fellow got badly hurt. He called for help on the Sheriff's frequency, and the victim was saved. A few days later, the FCC paid him a visit and confiscated the device. > Don't the airwaves belong to the people? Yes. > Shouldn't the people be allowed to > make any use they want of the airwaves, as long as they don't interfere with > properly licensed/permitted signals, or cause a hazard to others? Change the word "airwaves" to "air" or "water" or any other public resource. All have regulations because, in general, your actions in them can affect people quite a ways away without your knowledge. Just as fertilizer runoff from a field can pollute the wells of people far away, transmitting even small amounts of power can prevent reception of ("pollute") someone else's signal far away. Hence, regulation is a reasonable thing. > The feds can be so picky. I am aware of a local ham who altered his > portable to be able to listen to police bands. In the U.S., you can legally receive whatever you want... other than the old AMPS cell phone bands, and in my opinion the feds making that illegal was a mistake that, if anything, only delayed the introduction of reasonably secure cell phone technology. > While mountain-biking with > friends, one fellow got badly hurt. He called for help on the Sheriff's > frequency, and the victim was saved. A few days later, the FCC paid him a > visit and confiscated the device. Ah, well TRANSMITTING on the police bands is another issue. That certainly is illegal (for your friend). But note that the FCC confiscated the device specifically because it was modified and therefore no longer type accepted... if you friend had purchased, say, a police radio from eBay and had used it, technically I believe he would have been OK! (Since, in general, during an emergency you're allowed to use whatever frequencies and equipment you want to obtain help, but if the cops discover anything illegal after all the dust has settled, they can still pursue it. Say your friend had smashed the window of a car to grab a cell phone to call 911... technically I think he could then still be prosecuted for vandalism, although the cops might be a little more understanding because it was a spur of the moment decision, whereas modifying a radio to transmit on the police bands is highly premeditated!) Keep in mind that while you can find stories where doing something like your friend did ended up saving someone's life, someone else could find a story where some moron transmitting on the police bands to report someone's house being robbed prevented a cop from calling in that he'd been shot and was lying there dying. You have to put everything in perspective. Would I be willing to risk going to jail if I thought smashing a car window to call 911 in a true emergency would help? Absolutely. There's the old story about Thomas Edison smashing a the front display case window of a store to steal a large mirror so that a surgeon would have enough reflected candlelight to be able to perform surgery to save his mother. You have to decide for yourself when the overall good outweighs the bad if you choose to commit a crime... ---Joel Kolstad > Ah, well TRANSMITTING on the police bands is another issue. That certainly is > illegal (for your friend). I believe true maydays are never illegal on any band. Note you do not claim he was arrested for illegal operation. (I admit it has been over 25 years since I took the license exams.) > But note that the FCC confiscated the device > specifically because it was modified and therefore no longer type accepted... As I wrote, seizure of a non-type accepted radio, that has been legally used, is different than saying the particular mayday use itself was illegal. > if you friend had purchased, say, a police radio from eBay and had used it, > technically I believe he would have been OK! (Since, in general, during an > emergency you're allowed to use whatever frequencies and equipment you want to > obtain help, but if the cops discover anything illegal after all the dust has > settled, they can still pursue it.... You sort of got it there. I do not believe a true mayday requires type accepted equipment. > Keep in mind that while you can find stories where doing something like your > friend did ended up saving someone's life, someone else could find a story > where some moron transmitting on the police bands to report someone's house > being robbed prevented a cop from calling in that he'd been shot and was lying > there dying. The perfect way to have the government put the clamps on maydays, is to make them a nuisance. The normal comm channels into 911 work pretty well, so in practice, these fears won't likely materialize. > You have to decide for yourself when the overall good > outweighs the bad if you choose to commit a crime... The point is that context itself can define criminality. > > Ah, well TRANSMITTING on the police bands is another issue. That certainly is > > illegal (for your friend). > I believe true maydays are never illegal on any band. Yes, I meant "transmitting on the police bands in general." Sorry for the confusion. > The point is that context itself can define criminality. In general I agree with you, but I think that modifying a radio to transmit on police bands -- and then using it to do so -- is a pretty cut and dry case of breaking the law. :-) Although I would say that, if the modification were made on the spur of the moment (e.g., you're out in the middle of nowhere in a cabin that happens to have a ham radio, you break your leg, and if somehow you can't manage to bring up another ham :-), you instead modify the radio to transmit out of band), the violation would likely be overlooked. >> > Ah, well TRANSMITTING on the police bands is another issue. That >certainly is [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >can't manage to bring up another ham :-), you instead modify the radio to >transmit out of band), the violation would likely be overlooked. --- But the radio would be confiscated!^) SignatureJohn Fields Professional Circuit Designer >>> > Ah, well TRANSMITTING on the police bands is another issue. That >>certainly is [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >--- >But the radio would be confiscated!^) The cops are not that bright. There would have to be an FCC guy hanging around at the scene. No matter what nym you use, you're just a f.cking scumbag! >No matter what nym you use, you're just a f.cking scumbag! No matter how smart a stalking Usenet retard claims to be, he always proves just how retarded he is by his own behavior. You are one such stalking Usenet retard, Mike Hunt. That is what you are. Are you certain that your ISP will be very happy about your obvious stalking behavior, should the effected user register a complaint with them? Perhaps we should test that happiness level. Now, were you a giganews or other private news service subscriber, I might have a harder time. Since you are with one of the standard, virtually "public" providers, they have guidelines, of which I am aware, that preclude you from such behavior as that which you currently exhibit. Here's a hint, a.shole... Quit while you are ahead (at least in your own mind). Bellsouth would be interested in keeping behavior like yours OFF their system, so don't push it, Mike Hunt. Says the scumsucking, nym-shifting, celibate (yeah, I found that admission) goat-f.cking lowlife. How do you think an impartial observer would judge your multiple personalities and the consistency of nastiness you show in all of them? You are a nobody trying to gain recognition on Usenet because you have a zero life. You are a nothing. f.ck off! On Jun 27, 9:22 pm, TheGlimmerMan <justaglim...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote: > >No matter what nym you use, you're just a f.cking scumbag! > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Bellsouth would be interested in keeping behavior like yours OFF their > system, so don't push it, Mike Hunt. Go complain asswipe. I hope that will help get your identity revealed so we can all have a party for you. Mike, you have stumbled on one of Usenet's biggest a.shole losers. He's a f.cking pencil-pushing wannabe who will NEVER be able to stand the heat of real conflict. I've seen a couple of people on Usenet who want to meet up with this loser personally to explain their point of view and help him understand that it's not nice to call someone's girlfriend nasty names - especially when that girls' significant other is a military man right in the San Diego area where TheGlimemrMan (one of many stupid nyms he uses) lives. I would not be at all surprised to see his contact info posted one day soon for all to see. He just annoys so many people daily that it's bound to happen. He does keep us all laughing, especially when it's clear that we've angered him. >Go complain asswipe. I hope that will help get your identity revealed >so we can all have a party for you. Sorry,but such revelation would be an illegal act on the part of Bellsouth. I think you and the other 69 idiot may be the same idiot posting as two different idiots. > On Jun 27, 9:22 pm, TheGlimmerMan > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I'm here sometimes lurking with my boyfriend when he's off duty - we like to see the jerk get more people mad at him. The fool you're dealing with has annoyed my BF and he wants to be sure that a proper apology is delivered. We did get a potential lead last week about a similar loudmouth over at Jaynor that we're having checked out. In the meantime, we do get a laugh from his threats and rants. Like you said, he is a loser. >> On Jun 27, 9:22 pm, TheGlimmerMan >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >dealing with has annoyed my BF and he wants to be sure that a proper >apology is delivered. If your boyfriend did, as you claim, also mutilate enemy corpses, then everything I said about him was correct, and you should not have even entered the thread to begin with, so you deserved to get slapped around as well. Since you are at fault, he has no honorable stance from which to claim having been so wronged. Aside from the fact that anything you do, including hunting up "my info" will likely be felony crimes. > We did get a potential lead last week about a >similar loudmouth over at Jaynor that we're having checked out. Sounds like the FBI might be interested in military folks and their GFs that go round hunting up folks personal info. The very folks he took an oath to defend. You two sound like a real prize. > In >the meantime, we do get a laugh from his threats and rants. Show me where I made a threat, you dippy bitch. > Like you >said, he is a loser. No. I am an American. An American that understands what our country's defenders are fighting for. Something you obviously have no clue about. > I'm here sometimes lurking with my boyfriend when he's off duty - we > like to see the jerk get more people mad at him. The fool you're [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the meantime, we do get a laugh from his threats and rants. Like you > said, he is a loser. Make sure to shoot a clean video of the meeting. It should get a million+ hits on YouTube: "Anonymous coward dies of a heart attack when confronted in person!" SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >> I'm here sometimes lurking with my boyfriend when he's off duty - we >> like to see the jerk get more people mad at him. The fool you're [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >million+ hits on YouTube: "Anonymous coward dies of a heart attack when >confronted in person!" So, you also think it is OK to mutilate the corpse of an enemy combatant? Quite a tell, Terrell. >>> I'm here sometimes lurking with my boyfriend when he's off duty - we >>> like to see the jerk get more people mad at him. The fool you're [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > So, you also think it is OK to mutilate the corpse of an enemy >combatant? Quite a tell, Terrell. How in hell did you get from filming a coward dying of fright to mutilating a corpse? Do you like beating corpses? >>>> I'm here sometimes lurking with my boyfriend when he's off duty - we >>>> like to see the jerk get more people mad at him. The fool you're [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >How in hell did you get from filming a coward dying of fright to >mutilating a corpse? Do you like beating corpses? If you had brains enough to know how to follow the situation, you would know that the person the TerrellTard is talking to is a jackass that claims to have cut off the dick of an enemy soldier and stuffed it down his throat. So it is about pathetic, characterless bastards that like mutilating corpses, not me, you f.cking idiot. Come back when you actually can comment from knowing what is going on, instead of from utter oblivion. >>>>> I'm here sometimes lurking with my boyfriend when he's off duty - we >>>>> like to see the jerk get more people mad at him. The fool you're [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Come back when you actually can comment from knowing what is going on, >instead of from utter oblivion. You be crazy. You attribute things said by one poster to another. I have been here for years, long enough to fairly know what other longtime posters here (s.e.d) are consistently about. You are a know nothing newcomer nobody by comparison here. <<<<<Snip>>>>> >You be crazy. You attribute things said by one poster to another. I >have been here for years, long enough to fairly know what other >longtime posters here (s.e.d) are consistently about. You are a know >nothing newcomer nobody by comparison here. Ah, but you must recognize that you are dealing with Archie - boy of over 50 nyms, not including the more relevant ones bestowed upon him by others (i.e., dimbulb, piñata, fuckwit, et al). Archie wil tell you that he's benn here for many, many years - though there's no trace of the foul-mouthed assface prior to 2007. ><<<<<Snip>>>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >you that he's benn here for many, many years - though there's no trace >of the foul-mouthed assface prior to 2007. What we have here is no trace of intelligence in the Farnsworth retard's skull cavity, albeit to small for human brains, has zero intelligence in it. Just because a total retard like you cannot find a post does not make ANY statistic you tout, based on your stupid capacity to search, a valid statistic. Are you even capable of grasping that concept, boy? You retarded piece of know nothing sh.t. I'd thought that I had seen a lot of retarded twits in my life. Then you came along, Farnsworth. You are about as f.cking retarded as it gets. The funny part is that you actually think you are intelligent. >><<<<<Snip>>>>> >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >you came along, Farnsworth. You are about as f.cking retarded as it >gets. The funny part is that you actually think you are intelligent. You are an insignificant speck of rabid dog turd who thinks he knows better than everyone else. You do not assface. Why is it that you avoid commenting when you are proven wrong - which is most of the time (hence your nyms, "Always Wrong" and "Dimbulb")? More than a couple of people have found where you've stated you are celibate, yet you refuse to talk about it. When I locate that statement, I'll piss all over you for not owning up. I enjoy laughing at your feeble attempts to avoid admitting mistakes. You're a foul-mouthed joke. You are obviously a single boy, grossly overweight with very poor skin conditions and bad body odor. Why don't you off yourself now and save some annoyed husband, boyfriend or girlfriend the trouble when you insult their significant other. >You are an insignificant speck of rabid dog turd who thinks he knows >better than everyone else. You do not assface. I know how long I have been posting in Usenet. You do not, yet you think you do. That is a serious character flaw, you retarded twit. You sport several others as well, however. This post you made here exposes at least one other. I'll let you figure out which, unless you are simply too retarded. > Why is it that you >avoid commenting when you are proven wrong - which is most of the time >(hence your nyms, "Always Wrong" and "Dimbulb")? I have no such nyms, idiot. Cite a single post where I used either. You cannot. Why? Aside from you being a retard? There are none! Pretty simple sh.t, dog turd boy. > More than a couple >of people have found where you've stated you are celibate, yet you >refuse to talk about it. Again... CITE the post you refer to or shut the f.ck up, BOY! > When I locate that statement, I'll piss all >over you for not owning up. I hope that you waste inordinate hours of your pathetic life doing just that. You prove the simplest of things like how I have done more to make the world a better place than a retarded, post hunting dumbfuck retard like you ever will. The time you waste hunting up posts is 100% indicative of the waste of time that your entire pathetic life is. Your mother should be a jailed felon for life for the crime of not flushing the piece of sh.t that you are, Farnsworth, the very moment she shat you from her retarded a.s. Now, be a good little retarded f.ck and run off somewhere and die. Be sure to realize just how much of your personal time you have wasted with your baby bullshit Usenet presence. > I enjoy laughing at your feeble attempts >to avoid admitting mistakes. Can you even produce a citation for that, or are you simply a total retard with a keyboard in front of you? > You're a foul-mouthed joke. You're just a foul joke, at best. > You are >obviously a single boy, How would you know? I have been here for fifty years. I could screw at 20 better than you ever will. I can screw at 50 better than you ever will as well. You're pretty much screwed, boy. > grossly overweight I'll bet that you have spent more years of your life with a spare tire than I ever have or ever will. Even at 50, I can only pinch a slight bit more than an inch, and that ain't bad, considering all the pizzas and steaks. In other words, you're still a goddamned guess as you go retard. > with very poor skin My skin is fine. Yours deserves the hellraiser treatment. >conditions and bad body odor. Unlike you I do take daily showers, and even more if I work out while I am at work. We have a gym, and a continuous fitness club membership as part of our benefits package. You likely have parts that all weigh more than mine, except for your skull cavity, and your lower nib. > Why don't you off yourself now and save >some annoyed husband, boyfriend or girlfriend the trouble when you >insult their significant other. If their "other" mouths off, I will not hesitate to put them in their place. Same thing for the husband. Do you have any more retarded drivel, you pussy? Bwuahahahahhaa! > I know how long I have been posting in Usenet. Bullshit. You are a f.cking liar who claims to have been here longer that you actually have. > I have no such nyms, idiot. Bullshit. Your only true nyms are "Always Wrong" and "Dimbulb". The other 50+ are just your made up alter egos that are your sole way for make believe interaction with others. You talk to yourself just as you play with yourself. Real people avoid you like a plague. > Again... CITE the post you refer to or shut the f.ck up, BOY! Bullshit. You said it and you do not DARE to deny it because you could never withstand the shitstorm that would follow your denial. Get over your "cite" nonsense. Confirm or deny a.shole - there's nothing more to be said. And your black brothers may not appreciate your exaggerated use of the term "BOY". > Can you even produce a citation for that, or are you simply a total >retard with a keyboard in front of you? Did you, or did you not make the 100% erroneous statement that methane and methanol are identical and that both are alcohols? Let's see you try to weasel out of this one, BOY. A simple statement that you were wrong will suffice. >I have been here for fifty years. I could screw at 20 better than you ever will. >I can screw at 50 better than you ever will as well. Bullshit. A celibate individual, even an a.shole like you, would never even make such a claim - even including your inflatable friends. Besides, your Usenet activities reveal that you are completely devoid of the consoling or socializing presence of a woman. No female would put up with your pitiful presence. > Even at 50, I can only pinch a slight bit more than an inch You are clearly referring to the times when you are yanking your puny crank. > My skin is fine. Not even your foreskin is fine. You are a pus dripping slug who makes Jabba the Hutt appear smooth and refined. >I do take daily showers, and even more if I work out while I >am at work. Your working out is pulling your pud - and you've been admonished a number of times not to do that on the job. You've also been warned not to use a computer at work to post on Usenet. Lauer has spoken. > If their "other" mouths off, I will not hesitate to put them in their >place. Same thing for the husband. And that will quite possibly lead to your being fully outed on Usenet and being spanked in public. Your ego will never survive it. Bwuahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! > On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:17:48 GMT, normfarnswor...@yahoo.com (Norman > [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > Do you have any more retarded drivel, you pussy? Bwuahahahahhaa! Right on Norman! That's telling the fat slob liar off. I sent you info for his statement of celibacy. However, I suggest that you do not shove it under his nose. Let him continue to wonder about all of the people here who have already told him that they've seen it for themselves. All he ever says about it is 'cite" - and none of us have ever done it. We all try to get him to deny that he claimed to be celibate so we con reveal how full of crap he is. He doesn't see wh conclusions his refusal to deny lead to. What a loser. Wait until his contact information is posted and he starts to get email from all of the lurkers here. There are many of them who hardly ever post, but who would delight in being able to let this pig know what he really looks like on Usenet. >> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:17:48 GMT, normfarnswor...@yahoo.com (Norman >> [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] >who would delight in being able to let this pig know what he really >looks like on Usenet. I noticed that ALL of you idiots were to much of a wimp to answer the poll. That's a real tell. I'll bet your ugly old lady weighs twice what I weigh, Choward. Telling me off? Bwuahahahahahahaha! That's a laugh. <<<<<Snip>>>>> > I'll bet your ugly old lady weighs twice what I weigh, Choward. > > Telling me off? Bwuahahahahahahaha! That's a laugh. First of all, at least he HAS an "old lady" - and you have no concept of her or any other female's anatomy (the sole exception being your peeks at mommy taking a dump through the crack in the bathroom door jamb). All you have is your right hand - which weighs in at more than most size-7 women. Furthermore, it's pretty clear that he did tell you off nicely. Your "Bwuahahahaha" is quite muted as you do recognize that you've been dumped upon again. You are a loser; that's all there is to it. > >>> I'm here sometimes lurking with my boyfriend when he's off duty - we > >>> like to see the jerk get more people mad at him. The fool you're [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > How in hell did you get from filming a coward dying of fright to > mutilating a corpse? Do you like beating corpses? This shows just how sick dimbulb realy is. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >> >>> I'm here sometimes lurking with my boyfriend when he's off duty - we >> >>> like to see the jerk get more people mad at him. The fool you're [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > This shows just how sick dimbulb realy is. You're a goddamned liar and you know EXACTLY what was being discussed, you retarded son of a bitch! <<<<<Snip>>>>> >> This shows just how sick dimbulb realy is. > > You're a goddamned liar and you know EXACTLY what was being discussed, >you retarded son of a bitch! Ooooh - such anger Archie. I'm beginning to wonder if your mommy didn't close her legs abrubtly while you were exiting the birth canal. That, and the coathanger protruding from your head, may have tipped you off that you were not exactly welcome, which is the current situation here, isn't it? Calm down porky ... extreme bursts of anger have been shown to be highly detrimental to the health of obese individuals - especially African Americans. > > > Ah, well TRANSMITTING on the police bands is another issue. That > certainly is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > police bands -- and then using it to do so -- is a pretty cut and dry case of > breaking the law. :-) Outside of emergency, you're correct. I thought I read that it was originally modified for the purpose of RX'ing, not TX'ing. Depending upon the radio topology, simply modifying to RX on another band might "bring TX along with it," even though that was not the prime intent. That wouldn't satisfy the FCC's rules, however, and they might confiscate if they know the radio exists. > Although I would say that, if the modification were > made on the spur of the moment (e.g., you're out in the middle of nowhere in a > cabin that happens to have a ham radio, you break your leg, and if somehow you > can't manage to bring up another ham :-), you instead modify the radio to > transmit out of band), the violation would likely be overlooked. Well yes, except I would say again that it may not even be a "violation" because of mayday context. Again, I dunno the details like a lawyer specializing in these regulations would. >> Ah, well TRANSMITTING on the police bands is another issue. That >> certainly is illegal (for your friend). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > used, is different than saying the particular mayday use itself was > illegal. See, in particular: §97.403 Safety of life and protection of property. No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur station of any means of radiocommunication at its disposal to provide essential communication needs in connection with the immediate safety of human life and immediate protection of property when normal communication systems are not available. Also: §97.111 Authorized transmissions. (a) An amateur station may transmit the following types of two-way communications: (1)[...] (2) Transmissions necessary to exchange messages with a station in another FCC-regulated service while providing emergency communications; As I understand it, (and I am not a ham) in a real emergency, and when there is no other alternative, a ham may use any power, any band, and any modulation necessary. --Mac > >> Ah, well TRANSMITTING on the police bands is another issue. That > >> certainly is illegal (for your friend). [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > §97.403 Safety of life and protection of property. > No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur station of > any means of radiocommunication at its disposal to provide essential [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Also: > §97.111 Authorized transmissions. > (a) An amateur station may transmit the following types of two-way > communications: > (1)[...] > (2) Transmissions necessary to exchange messages with a station in another > FCC-regulated service while providing emergency communications; [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mac That's what kept him out of jail for transmitting on an emergency frequency. But he is still lucky he wasn't prosecuted for the illegal modifications to the transmitter. Mike Monett [snip] >> He's a sophomoric little ham from Vancouver ("Tom, VA7FAB") who >> advocated (in a newsgroup, yet) using lightly trafficked spectrum [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >frequency, and the victim was saved. A few days later, the FCC paid him a >visit and confiscated the device. As they should have. He was too damned stupid to hide his "device" ?:-) ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. He shouldn't have had to hide his device, is the point --- Einstein. > He shouldn't have had to hide his device, is the point --- Einstein. It was an illegal device, is the point --- dummy. SignatureKeith >He shouldn't have had to hide his device, is the point --- Einstein. --- The point is, cretin, he was operating an illegal, non type-accepted transmitter on a frequency for which he wasn't licensed. Not that I'd expect you to understand that, what with your sorry a.s thinking that it's OK to do that if you only do it infrequently enough that you don't get caught. Even then, you snuffling, nose-picking piece of sh.t, if what you were advocating was laissez-faire, it would only be for your own convenience, not was was good for everyone. SignatureJohn Fields Professional Circuit Designer >> >>Wow, you really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you? That >> >>'poetry' was an example of just how incredibly bad a.s-barphed's poetry [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >By "illegally" do you mean without a license, or intruding into forbidden >bands? --- Intruding into forbidden bands. --- >Don't the airwaves belong to the people? Shouldn't the people be allowed to >make any use they want of the airwaves, as long as they don't interfere with >properly licensed/permitted signals, or cause a hazard to others? --- Yes, they belong to the people, but in order to keep them (us) from causing a hazard because of improper use, spectrum allocation and restrictions had to be put in place. Your anecdote about the local ham is a good example. What if some rag-chewing CB'ers with 100 watt linears decided to park anywhere they wanted to and just happened to step on the frequency the ham was trying to use to call for help? I know it's all "what if", but if there weren't any rules it could easily happen. --- >The feds can be so picky. I am aware of a local ham who altered his >portable to be able to listen to police bands. While mountain-biking with >friends, one fellow got badly hurt. He called for help on the Sheriff's >frequency, and the victim was saved. A few days later, the FCC paid him a >visit and confiscated the device. --- Well, regardless of whether that action saved the guy's life or not, the ham hadn't just modified the receiver, which isn't illegal, he'd modified the transmitter, which was, and he knew it. Probably the FCC's position was that since the guy modified it, he intended to use it (otherwise why bother?) and since it was an unlicensed transmitter it needed to be confiscated. Kind of like if you're not licensed to carry a concealed weapon, but you're carrying one anyway, if you use it to shoot someone who's committing a crime, say a murder even, you're gonna be in trouble, I'm pretty sure. SignatureJohn Fields Professional Circuit Designer [...] > >The feds can be so picky. I am aware of a local ham who altered his > >portable to be able to listen to police bands. While mountain-biking with > >friends, one fellow got badly hurt. He called for help on the Sheriff's > >frequency, and the victim was saved. A few days later, the FCC paid him a > >visit and confiscated the device. Lucky they didn't prosecute him, fine him and throw him in jail. He knew what he was doing was illegal. Broadcasting on an emergency service frequency is just plain stupid. Especially after 9/11. He could at least have got himself deputized. It still wouldn't be legal, but he might have a flimsy excuse that might have kept him out of trouble. The feds have a job to do, and he knew what he did could get him in deep trouble. Or he should have. > Well, regardless of whether that action saved the guy's life or not, > the ham hadn't just modified the receiver, which isn't illegal, he'd > modified the transmitter, which was, and he knew it. Most transceivers have highly integrated transmit/receive circuitry. The synthesizers that generate the needed frequencies are controlled by the on-board mpu. The same unit may be sold for different usage, so there must be some means of restricting the frequency coverage. Some sets have an internal jumper that bypass these frequency restriction. I doubt this guy had the equipment needed to redesign a highly integrated portable rig. Instead, he may have found instructions on the web on how to cut a jumper. These days, it doesn't matter if your heart is in the right place. You gotta have all the documents and papers signed and stamped. [...] > John Fields > Professional Circuit Designer Mike Monett Recovering Mold Victim > Wow, you really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you? That > 'poetry' was an example of just how incredibly bad a.s-barphed's poetry is, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lunatic asylum budget-cutbacks --- they thought you'd be ok as long as you > took your medication, and kicked you out to save money. I see how sharp you are trimming quotes to suit your purposes. If your intention was to out-lame John, you win the prize. SignatureKeith > ... more likely you are a victim of > lunatic asylum budget-cutbacks --- they thought you'd be ok as long as you > took your medication, and kicked you out to save money. Usenet access is so much cheaper than Prozac and doctors. Technology marches on! >>Don't bother with these neurotic buffoons Brett, they're a complete waste of >>time. The only thing they're good at is justifying their self-serving [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > ...Jim Thompson Jim, You've been trolled, in case you hadn't noticed. SignatureFlap! The Pig Bladder from Uranus, still waiting for that hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is. ;-j > I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on > bringing it to the market. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge > to complete the project over the summer. Ooh! ooh! ooh! <hand waving in air> Pick me! Pick me! I'll do it for a small fixed fee, a percentage of sales, and a percentage of profits (all negotiable). And expenses, of course... I think I'll need a new laptop to pursue this properly... And a B-size printer... Plus I don't know that much about ethernet interface, so I may need to take a couple of courses... >You must be a US citizen, and have a resume for submittal. This is an illegal requirement. You can be sued for this. Signature"A society that robs an individual of the product of his effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized gang rule." -- Ayn Rand >>You must be a US citizen, and have a resume for submittal. > >This is an illegal requirement. You can be sued for this. You are badly misinformed. It is even legal for me to require that you, for example, be of prime 36-DD quality ;-) ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. >>>You must be a US citizen, and have a resume for submittal. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It is even legal for me to require that you, for example, be of prime > 36-DD quality ;-) Only those with US Coast Guard approved floatation devices need apply? SignatureKeith >>>>You must be a US citizen, and have a resume for submittal. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Only those with US Coast Guard approved floatation devices need apply? Only those with previous work experience at Hooters ;-) ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. > This is an illegal requirement. You can be sued for this. You can be sued because someone thinks you're ugly... doesn't mean they'll win! >> This is an illegal requirement. You can be sued for this. > >You can be sued because someone thinks you're ugly... doesn't mean they'll >win! What you may have missed is that, unlike requirement US citizens for a particular position, being ugly is not illegal. Of course, someone with a couple more neurons would realize that. Signature"A society that robs an individual of the product of his effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized gang rule." -- Ayn Rand Well I never imagined I would spawn this much debate over nothing. Dont worry about it anymore, I accomplished what I set out to do. I have several established companies in the US and Canada, who are willing to work with me on contractual terms. To answer many of the odd questions and points brought up in this very very long and pointless discussion. I have never used another name (specifically I have never used the name "Tom")in this forum or any other forum. I have nothing to hide from (except spam). To be honest I have to thank all of your post it was rather quite amusing, and I enjoyed it. SignatureBrett Griffin, Home Technology Consultant Architechtronics, Inc. get to know home technologyT p. (610) 825.7018 f (215) 827.5484 *top 10 reasons to use Architechtronics for your next project http://www.architechtronics.com/top10.html **keep up on cutting-edge technology... join "the EDGE" for free at http://www.architectronics.com/edge.html ------------------------------------------- >I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on >bringing it to the market. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge > to complete the project over the summer. >Well I never imagined I would spawn this much debate over nothing. > >Dont worry about it anymore, --- "Worry about it"? Don't flatter yourself. You're just another creep who was looking to hoodwink someone into falling for your crap and then find out at the end of it, sadly, that there were no profits to share. "Operating expenses" ate them all up. --- >I accomplished what I set out to do. --- If making yourself look like a disreputable slimeball was your goal, then I'll agree with you; you've succeeded admirably. --- >I have >several established companies in the US and Canada, who are willing to work >with me on contractual terms. --- Then why did you even bother to post your "offer" unless you thought you'd find some sucker stupid enough to fall for it? --- >To answer many of the odd questions and points brought up in this very very >long and pointless discussion. --- If you think this has been a "long" discussion, you're obviously an amateur in this melee, and if you think it's been pointless, I disagree. We all know a lot more about you than we did before, thanks to you! --- >I have never used another name (specifically I have never used the name >"Tom")in this forum or any other forum. --- Those posts weren't directed to you, as you'd know if you knew how to use your newsreader. --- >I have nothing to hide from (except spam). --- Unbelievable! you post unsolicited off-topic commercial crap on newsgroups where your junk is unwelcome and you think it's _not_ SPAM? I guess, from your POV, SPAM is only stuff that annoys _you_. --- >To be honest I have to thank all of your post it was rather quite amusing, >and I enjoyed it. --- If you really wanted to be honest you wouldn't try to steal precious time out of someone else's life. SignatureJohn Fields Professional Circuit Designer As you can tell from the quality, demeanour, and overall tone of Mr F's posts, he has a rather deeply rooted personality disorder --- a type of disorder that attracts the attention of mainstream troll-hood. As mainstream trolls, our objective is to trigger as many enraged, apoplectic outbursts as we can from certain individuals (such as Mr F) to teach them that such outbursts are counter-productive, unnecessary, and are simply an ineffective method of interacting with their fellow human beings --- even those who disapprove of their NNTP posts. Most would simply find it laughable that someone has a derogatory opinion of them or their NNTP posts --- only a very limited minority of newsgroup users will actually become enraged and post adrenaline-charged, rage-filled ripostes in response --- these individuals are like gold to the troll community because these are the people with whom we can do our most valuable work. Mr F. is one these precious individuals. Please feel free to use him in this capacity --- all we ask is that you don't over-stress his fragile ego to the breaking point (as could easily be done). The more Mr F can be shown that his vitriolic diatribes are something that the world finds amusing --- not something that inspires fear or awe, the quicker he will learn to change his errant ways and be brought back into the fold of humanity --- minus his vituperative rantings. Please, no over-stressing of an already fragile and fractured ego! >As you can tell from the quality, demeanour, and overall tone of Mr F's >posts, he has a rather deeply rooted personality disorder --- a type of >disorder that attracts the attention of mainstream troll-hood. --- As anyone of even marginal intelligence should be able to understand, the _lack_ of quality in a troll's life, the admitted desire of a troll for the acceptance of criminal demeanor to be considered mainstream behavior, and the troll's propensity toward fomenting discord in the affairs of those not so afflicted are the troll's raisons d'être. --- >As mainstream trolls, our objective is to trigger as many enraged, apoplectic >outbursts as we can from certain individuals (such as Mr F) to teach them >that such outbursts are counter-productive, unnecessary, and are simply an >ineffective method of interacting with their fellow human beings --- even >those who disapprove of their NNTP posts. --- In order to feed their egos and bring feelings of self-worth into their wasted lives, trolls like to attempt to engage passers-by by shouting personally derogatory epithets in an attempt to attract retaliation (and thus validation) from the passer by. Should _any_ response be forthcoming, the troll's true nature will come to light and an attempt will be made, by the troll, to slough off its character defects onto the passer-by and to cause an infection to occur in the passer-by which will make the troll's actions seem to be benevolent. --- >Most would simply find it laughable that someone has a derogatory opinion of >them or their NNTP posts --- only a very limited minority of newsgroup users [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >humanity --- minus his vituperative rantings. >Please, no over-stressing of an already fragile and fractured ego! --- Vituperative ranting directed at a troll is anathema to it in that it forces a crack to appear in its thin outer shell which can easily be widened by the application of anger, real or feigned. Once the crack has been opened, the troll is forced to look within itself and, horrified by what it sees, call for the cessation of activities which would open the crack wider and wider and eventually lead to the troll's understanding of its true nature. Failure to accede to the troll's pleas for "reason" to prevail is the kindest thing to do, in that it will put the troll out of its misery. SignatureJohn Fields Professional Circuit Designer > I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on > bringing it to the market. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge > to complete the project over the summer. You are addressing this proposal to the wrong group. You want to be talking with an "embedded systems engineer" with strong ethernet programming skills. This probably will not be much of a job for them as it is likely you don't know enough to conceive a requirement of any complexity. The people who know this sub-specialty can draw on several candidate reference designs off the top of their head very quickly, and patch together the software already at their disposal to get a prototype working quickly. The main problem you will have is that the person who takes you up the the offer will have something wrong with them. >> I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on >> bringing it to the market. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >working quickly. The main problem you will have is that the person who >takes you up the the offer will have something wrong with them. --- Exquisite!-) SignatureJohn Fields Professional Circuit Designer Indeed! How excrutiatingly mah-velous ... > Indeed! How excrutiatingly mah-velous ... Whattsa matta- your favorite cartoon shows in re-runs? You and the rest of your ilk, mes amis, are FAR more entertaining than cartoons ever were! ;) > You and the rest of your ilk, mes amis, are FAR more entertaining than > cartoons ever were! ;) Particularly since mom has the TV busy watching soaps and is finishing off a quart of vodka, eh fleen? As you now know, FAS is an ugly thing. SignatureKeith > You and the rest of your ilk, mes amis, are FAR more entertaining than > cartoons ever were! ;) Whatever- sounds like so much smug innuendo from an idle little zero. I bet you're "bored" too. >Indeed! How excrutiatingly mah-velous ... --- It's considered poor form not to leave a snippet of the post being replied to in the reply, as a courtesy to the reader. SignatureJohn Fields Professional Circuit Designer >>> I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on >>> bringing it to the market. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >--- >Exquisite!-) Damn!!! That's so funny I'm going to have to unplonk Bloggs ;-) ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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