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Homeowner Forum / Lawn and Garden / July 2008Rec.gardens and Moderating
Try listening to Is as you read this That You Mo-Dean? 5:32 The B-52's Good Stuff Rock 100 2 7/13/08 6:32 PM I plant much stuff about and sometimes it makes and some times it dies. . Never found anyone who I¹d like to share lunch with that would tell me how to garden. Just like what to try and I try things and some work some don¹t. I like to hear about successes and failures too. Not just food but that issue is growing more in to our yard. Still how to save caladiums troubles me. What interests me is what else you folks find of value. The premise begins in our gardens dirt and offers potential for more if inclined to share The World's Green Laughter 4:04 The B-52's Good Stuff Rock 2 6/27/08 6:32 PM AAC audio file 1992 Bill When bodies collide...  SignatureGarden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA > Try listening to Is as you read this > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Not just food but that issue is growing more in to our yard. Still how > to save caladiums troubles me. Bill I believe I can help you with your trees. A good source for information pertaining to trees specifically and other woody, shedding, perennial plants. www.shigoandtrees.com Two books I would suggest, very easy reading, big drawings or pictures with lucid words is MODERN ARBORICULTURE http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/MARBOR.html and WORLDWIDE PRUNING GUIDE http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/TPRUNING.html Your library should have or able to get these books. Once you would get the books I could walk you through the books page by page. Every time I read these books I learn something else I forgot I read. What would be great is if we had many people reading at the same time. Not like a dissection workshop, but you will get lucid instruction from one of the foremost recognized tree authorities worldwide. I.e., when he died. And still continues in the mind and hearts of many many many people worldwide. I.e., Spain, Italy, Germany, Austria, Japan, and many more including many states in the United States, not all. His daughter keeps his teachings going at their website at www.shigoandtrees.com I think you will enjoy this stuff. Oh, yeah. Some articles posted on the web that Dr. Shigo wrote and were published in TCI Journal. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/ He was a genus with trees! SignatureSincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Tree Biologist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding. > What interests me is what else you folks find of value. The premise > begins in our gardens dirt and offers potential for more if inclined to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > When bodies collide... > > Try listening to Is as you read this > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > -- > > Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA Are you asking about starting a new group, rec.gardens.moderated? You need to find a moderator. You need to post a request for discussion (rfd) on the appropriate groups: this one for a start, and news.groups, and the admin groups. This is a long involved process. Are you serious about it? Chris >Are you asking about starting a new group, rec.gardens.moderated? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Chris I think perhaps you misunderstood what Bill was saying. He was speaking of the broader aspects of gardening and relation to the soil and to life and philosophy and what makes folks click, as related to gardening. And music and the philosophy and relation of music to life and Bill is Bill.......think about what he relates. Charlie > Try listening to Is as you read this > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >When bodies collide... I did and I think I understand. Tonite in the garden I watched spellbound as two of my favorite creatures did the dance. A spider had captured a blink (firefly) and was wrapping it, while the blink kept blinking thru the silk. What is my role? To observe. This, and your post, which I had been pondering for some time, led me to think upon one of my favorite quotes... "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert A. Heinlein Specialization is for insects. If we limit our relationships with all that goes on in the garden, and all that which we observe and all that in which we participate, gardenwise, to simple mechanics and technicalities and disregard the broader implications and relationships, we are specializing, much in the vein of monsatano, et al...monoculture.....insects fighting insects....it's a world gone mad, my friend. Kinda like photos. As much as I enjoy the subject of a photo, what is supporting the subject in the background and off to the sides is even more fascinating to me. Perhaps more important. Charlie, who should be retiring, but the lightning in the distance is much too important to ignore and the fragrance of the petunias beckons me back outside.... <snip> >Kinda like photos. As much as I enjoy the subject of a photo, what is >supporting the subject in the background and off to the sides is even >more fascinating to me. Perhaps more important. Doesn't it just irk you to no end when someone has a shelf full of books behind then in a picture and it is too blurry to read any of the titles? ;-) SignatureLeon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email > <snip> > >Kinda like photos. As much as I enjoy the subject of a photo, what is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > full of books behind then in a picture and it is too blurry > to read any of the titles? ;-) I just look at the size of the books :))). Bill <http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Bibliomania-Holbrook-Jackson/dp/0252070437 /ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216230950&sr=1-1> A $36 paperback still the reviews are kind of neat. SignatureGarden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA > > Try listening to Is as you read this > > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > much too important to ignore and the fragrance of the petunias beckons > me back outside.... Robert A. Heinlein is no doubt a top five author in my favorite SciFi collection. I have read over 20 R.A.H. books. I have almost 400 SciFi books. Almost 1,500 books total and still growing. I agree with R.A.H. that humans should be able to do those things and I have done almost all of those things and capable of the others. However, the sad truth is: those that specialize tend to be more successful in life in more ways than one. The "Jack of all Trades" is a dying breed in the evolutionary world in which we are living in. The insects will indeed inherit the earth. Also listening to the thunder ... Dan SignatureEmail "dan lehr at comcast dot net". Text only or goes to trash automatically. > In article <6utq7493j1cmup7fuo02djlndplrfej...@4ax.com>, Charlie wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > successful in life in more ways than one. The "Jack of all Trades" is a > dying breed in the evolutionary world in which we are living in. ....yeah, but we have a hell of a lot more fun, in many more places, in many more ways. cheers oz, founding member of The Heinlein Society [ www.heinleinsociety.org ] In article <a9afbe6c-4714-456f-9341-ce1e74594055@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, > > In article <6utq7493j1cmup7fuo02djlndplrfej...@4ax.com>, Charlie wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > oz, founding member of The Heinlein Society [ www.heinleinsociety.org ] Rec.gardens is an interesting forum. The more I read here the more like minded people I find. Here and no where else? Enjoy Life ... Dan SignatureGarden in Zone 5 South East Michigan. >Rec.gardens is an interesting forum. The more I read here the more like >minded people I find. Here and no where else? > >Enjoy Life ... Dan Indeed! I agree with you. Heh heh, rec.gardens undergoes yet another metamorphosis. What shall emerge? ;-) All relates to the garden, to life..... Care Charlie "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~~Frederick Douglass In article <doesnotwork-ED5E69.23150216072008@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > > > Try listening to Is as you read this > > > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > successful in life in more ways than one. The "Jack of all Trades" is a > dying breed in the evolutionary world in which we are living in. That is because we have ridden the madness of the mechanical analogy as far as it can go. We have reduced food to four principal crops (maybe eighty altogether) and lost 75% of agricultural diversity in the last century. The diversity that is necessary to develop resistant strains for pathogens that always adapt to the defenses that we deploy for our crops, like the four that we depend on for carbs, has shrunk. The mechanical analogy has to end or we will. If mankind survives, it will be because of the generalist who doesn't grow a monoculture but varied plants that compliment each other, and grow at different heights, at different times of the year in changing beds. Bring back small town America. > The insects will indeed inherit the earth, if we let them. Right now, it is ours to lose. > Also listening to the thunder ... Dan And it's getting closer. Bush & Pelosi behind bars - Wild Billy We wish to control big business so as to secure among other things good wages for the wage-workers and reasonable prices for the consumers. Wherever in any business the prosperity of the businessman is obtained by lowering the wages of his workmen and charging an excessive price to the consumers we wish to interfere and stop such practices. We will not submit to that kind of prosperity any more than we will submit to prosperity obtained by swindling investors or getting unfair advantages over business rivals. - Theodore Roosevelt * Speech at Progressive Party Convention, Chicago (1912-06-17) |
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