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Homeowner Forum / Lawn and Garden / July 2008Garden Statues
Find Bargains on Garden Statues and other Outdoor Decor Products. Get tax and shipping information, merchant ratings, and professional product reviews. http://www.ogogo123sina.cn/ In article <9973b5ac-db0e-47a6-ab33-e6ba072f6f71@z16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, > Find Bargains on Garden Statues and other Outdoor Decor Products. Get > tax and shipping information, merchant ratings, and professional > product reviews. > http://spam-fart-deleted/ Wow, spam for a looping advertising website, even lower than spam for crappy products.  Signaturevisit my temperate gardening website: http://www.paghat.com visit my film reviews website: http://www.weirdwildrealm.com >In article ><9973b5ac-db0e-47a6-ab33-e6ba072f6f71@z16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Wow, spam for a looping advertising website, even lower than spam for >crappy products. No not sucking up, but went to your film review site. Interesting. I didn't see a French horror film titled, "Frontiers." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0814685/ It's not my favorite type film, but when it's done well I can appreciate it. I'd be interested to know what you thought of it if you ever do see it. Victoria Correction, "Frontier." > It's not my favorite type film, but when it's done well I can > appreciate it. I'd be interested to know what you thought of it if > you ever do see it. > > Victoria i guess i'm missing something..... the buddhist that won't hurt a fly recommending the worst in torture porn? houston? > > It's not my favorite type film, but when it's done well I can > > appreciate it. I'd be interested to know what you thought of it if [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > houston? I think she goes to the "reform" temple ;o) SignatureBilly Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related >> > It's not my favorite type film, but when it's done well I can >> > appreciate it. I'd be interested to know what you thought of it if [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >I think she goes to the "reform" temple ;o) Being a Buddhist doesn't preclude me as a lay person from watching movies and television. While they bot may be incredible wastes of precious little time, there is nothing in Buddhism which prevents this. People who throw religion in others' face is rather arrogant. I never told anyone Buddhist beliefs are THE WAY, nor have I tried to recruit anyone. I've anwered questions about it, but never sold it. I practice Tibetan Buddhism in the Gelug tradition of Nalanda Monastery. >> It's not my favorite type film, but when it's done well I can >> appreciate it. I'd be interested to know what you thought of it if [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >houston? It's not my type of film, but when it's done well I can appreciate it. I watched a few minutes of it as my husband is a horror, zombie, slashher film buff. I am not. If you go to paghat's website you will see she has watched and reviewed what looks like thousands of films. I did have the discussion with my husband during the film that it was still an image he was looking at, he said it was just a movie, I said so is everything else and we discussed emptiness, etc. He isn't a Buddhist, but he understands emptiness, dependant arising. Who's houston? > It's not my type of film, but when it's done well I can appreciate it. > I watched a few minutes of it as my husband is a horror, zombie, > slashher film buff. I am not. If you go to paghat's website you will > see she has watched and reviewed what looks like thousands of films. i'm not sure what would constitute torture porn "done well" but i guess it's a big world. I find the stuff revolting and wonder what types of people enjoy it but I guess I'd rather have them enjoying as fiction on film than going out and trying it themselves. It just seemed very strange hearing a recommendation for such a film coming from you. > Who's houston? The city. As in the astronauts asking for clarification on something. As in "Houston we have a problem." > > It's not my type of film, but when it's done well I can appreciate it. > > I watched a few minutes of it as my husband is a horror, zombie, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > As in the astronauts asking for clarification on something. As in "Houston > we have a problem." Got a new DVD not watched as yet. Hana The tale of a reluctant Samurai. BTW Centennial will be available June 1 From Amazon all 27 hours worth. Tried to get this for my convalescing spouse but must wait. "ONLY THE ROCKS LIVE FOREVER" <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018RKEQO> Bill SignatureGarden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA >i'm not sure what would constitute torture porn "done well" but i guess it's >a big world. >I find the stuff revolting and wonder what types of people enjoy it but I >guess I'd rather have them enjoying as fiction on film than going out and >trying it themselves. I never heard the term "torture porn," but okay. My husband loves the genre of horror, slasher, silly movies, the Saw series, Texas Chainsaw Masacre, etc. He is the most gentle being I know. Some people would say those who like musicals are "faggoty" types. So how far do you go? Did you see Goodfella's? Or do you just watch repeats of Lilias Yoga and You on a loop? I said I would be curious what she'd think of it. >It just seemed very strange hearing a recommendation for such a film coming >from you. I didn't actually "recommend" it. I mentioned the title as one I'd be curious how she'd review it. >> Who's houston? > >The city. >As in the astronauts asking for clarification on something. As in "Houston >we have a problem." Oh, I guess I'm not too hip for the room. I didn't make the connection. > I never heard the term "torture porn," but okay. My husband loves the > genre of horror, slasher, silly movies, the Saw series, Texas Chainsaw [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I said I would be curious what she'd think of it. This isn't about gardening so I'm hesitant to post it here but since you did ask I suppose I should answer. Torture porn isn't my term, it's in common usage. Is TCM torture porn.. probably not because you don't actually see any of the stuff that's implied happen. At least not in the original. I never saw the remake. The Saw series is probably the progenitor of American torture porn, though the genre is more quickly associated with Hostel, Hostel II, The Hills Have Eyes, etc. where a good part of the movie is devoted to accurately reproducing the actual torture. I haven't seen anything but clips from Hostel and that was plenty. I saw the first 10 minutes or so of Saw and didn't watch the rest. I know people say Saw is a very clever movie etc. Ok, it's just not what I need to see in a movie. Goodfellas? No, that's not torture porn because the violence, while not exactly incidental to the movie, isn't the point of the movie. There's really only a bit of violence in Goodfellas and it's not really very graphic comparatively. Oh and yes I saw it, it's one of my favorite films. I guess the difference between slasher flicks and torture porn is that in slasher flicks the violence is pretty quickly over, the movie works by building suspense up to each killing. Or at least tries to. Torture porn regales in the violence itself. It doesn't have to build up any tension because it's the sheer ghastliness of the visuals and I suppose audio of the violence scenes themselves that the movie seeks to portray. Not sure what Lilia's Yoga and You is. Never seen it. cheers ml > > I never heard the term "torture porn," but okay. My husband loves the > > genre of horror, slasher, silly movies, the Saw series, Texas Chainsaw [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > cheers > ml Ah it is eternal return at it's best. This gentle lady introduced yoga to many. See her here for a glimpse. <http://youtube.com/results?search_query=+Lilias+yoga&search_type=&aq=f> Bill who never forgets what he has seen so early on tried to avoid disturbing imagery. Damn mushroom cloud and a simple wood frame house however resides in my mind along with Jim Hanson... thank god. SignatureGarden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA >This isn't about gardening so I'm hesitant to post it here but since you did >ask I suppose I should answer. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >cheers >ml All I can say is that, I am not all sweetness and light and I can still be a Buddhist. I fully respect and understand and even agree with your terminology of what "Frontieres" was. Horrible torture film. But it was an excellent horrible slasher film. That doesn't meant I am recommending it. Who the hell am I? Nobody, just another person trying to be happy with life. I just appreciate the film for what it is. It's just like any film; take the film "Love Liza." An incredibly acted film full of emotional torture. Not the sort of film you say, Oh that was a great movie, although it actually was brilliant. It's not a feel good film. Just about all the nominated films last Oscar year were not the sort of films I've been tempted to watch again. "Atonement" was gut wrenching, "Michael Clayton" excruciating. "There Will be Blood" was sheer torment to watch. Just the way it takes the mind into that world, sucked in like a black hole, I'd never watch it again, but it was still brilliant and it shows something about human nature and greed. There is nothing a person, if open, can't learn from. It's all the way you look at it. v > > It's not my favorite type film, but when it's done well I can > > appreciate it. I'd be interested to know what you thought of it if [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > i guess i'm missing something..... > the buddhist that won't hurt a fly recommending the worst in torture porn? In tantric buddhism, meditations upon, for a key example, Ugra Tara, the Devouring Goddess, is a completely sensible thing. She is the Transmutation of Anger who assaults with unquenchable bloodthirst all Dharmic obstacles. She is sometimes addressed as Tantri or Ma do to her extreme motherliness (and anyone not afraid of their mom never had one). To ignore that violence exists and is part of the cycle of death and rebirth pretty much negates the possibility of ever achieving liberation from that cycle. -paghat the rat-boddhisattva Signaturevisit my temperate gardening website: http://www.paghat.com visit my film reviews website: http://www.weirdwildrealm.com >> > It's not my favorite type film, but when it's done well I can >> > appreciate it. I'd be interested to know what you thought of it if [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >-paghat the rat-boddhisattva Bodhisattva? Wow. Good for you. I'm just a shlubby Buddhist aspiring. Green Tara is the deity who I do the most meditation with. She is also called the Mother of all Buddha's and in monastery situations she is the only feminine energy the monks every come close to...including their own mothers who give them to the monastic life at very young ages. I try not to discuss tantric practice with people who don't have the empowerment to visualize themselves as the deity. It's not dangerous, but it can be. Anyway, if you ever do get around to seeing "Frontieres" I'd be interested in your thoughts. It transcends language, actually. > >> > It's not my favorite type film, but when it's done well I can > >> > appreciate it. I'd be interested to know what you thought of it if [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Bodhisattva? Wow. Good for you. I'm just a shlubby Buddhist > aspiring. I'm an enlightened bean. > Green Tara is the deity who I do the most meditation with. > She is also called the Mother of all Buddha's and in monastery [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "Frontieres" I'd be interested in your thoughts. It transcends > language, actually. I just moved it to the top of my netflux queau. -paggers Signaturevisit my temperate gardening website: http://www.paghat.com visit my film reviews website: http://www.weirdwildrealm.com >I'm an enlightened bean. I stand corrected! >I just moved it to the top of my netflux queau. > >-paggers I will await your review. V > >In article > ><9973b5ac-db0e-47a6-ab33-e6ba072f6f71@z16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Victoria Watched Frontieres last night. It's good of kind but it's one of the few types of horror I dont' care much for. Thought SAW was well made, never wanted to see a sequel. I thought HOSTEL was well made, will never bother with a sequel. And FRONTIERES is well made. In a genre that doesn't need to be well made to make money it's nice when someone bothers. But at base these are "just" torture porn, and while I'm not too awfully horrified by filmmakers' desire to make (and audiences desire to see) films with nothing but slow torture scenes to brag about, I'm in the main bored by them. Sure I jumped when a guy got his fingers blown off but big deal. There's no story to speak of and what there is is merely a direct parallel to the cheezy American genre of "insane hillbillies capture city people, kill them slowly, and eat them." There's one scene I actually liked, when the depressed brood mare child combs the hair of the last-city-slicker-standing and tries to bond with her. Nothing else worked for me. If the French make sequels the way American's do with successful torture films, I won't bother to check it out. There IS an "insane hillbillies" movie I like a lot, and that's Rob Zombie's HOUSE OF A THOUSAND CORPSES. But it's not torture porn; it's a tasteless throwback to 1970s/80s drive-in movie shlock horror delivering everything such a film promises AND a skillful semi-comedic cast. My personal idea of a thrilling blood bath is the final duel in TWILIGHT SAMURAI when it's just too sad for words; or the multiple duels of mutually afflicted pain in ICHI THE KILLER psycho vs psycho as they fall in homoerotic love with each other; or MAY the cute girl psycho who tries to "build" herself a best friend from an array of selected body parts; or GINGER SNAPS when one devoted sister has to try to kill the one person in the world she loves because she's a totally dangerous werewolf. Or Raizo Ichikawa in BETRAYAL with a one-against-all swordfight conclusion that leaves him leaning on his sword in the middle of a corpse-strewn street, pure ballet of death; or any number of Ken Takakura yakuza films that end the same way, absolute beauty and absolute showers of blood. -paggers Signaturevisit my temperate gardening website: http://www.paghat.com visit my film reviews website: http://www.weirdwildrealm.com >Watched Frontieres last night. It's good of kind but it's one of the few >types of horror I dont' care much for. Thought SAW was well made, never [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >throwback to 1970s/80s drive-in movie shlock horror delivering everything >such a film promises AND a skillful semi-comedic cast. (...) >-paggers I am in agreement with the torture aspect of it. No real story at all, just the sake of blood and cutting of achilles tendons, etc. Not my favorite type of movie, but I did like Saw and all of its sequels. I found them thought out and interesting. I did cover my eyes for a few of the more horrific scenes, like in Saw 4 when they strap a young sweetie cop to an apparatus which will tear her open at the ribs and DOES. When there is no story or plot to films like this, there's nothing to really think of, no mystery to figure out, but Saw and its other parts left a lot to wonder and try and figure out. Just my opinion. I am certainly no film critic. Thanks for the review. The Saw sequels were all better than the first one IMO, if that's the genre anyone likes. Victoria |
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