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 SignatureMany tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case Sensitive. Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/tree_planting.html Improper Mulching - http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html Improper Pruning http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry) http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html Tree Farming and Related Problems http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ Troubles in the Rhizosphere http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Tree Biologist www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding. Oy vey. > Oy vey. You live nearby. If the hot weather (doubtless) and lack of rain/drought continue (most likely), wonder if its going to affect the native live oaks? Its not a common problem, so don't expect an answer from you know who to interrupt. SignatureDave >> Oy vey. > >You live nearby. If the hot weather (doubtless) and lack of rain/drought >continue (most likely), wonder if its going to affect the native live oaks? >Its not a common problem, so don't expect an answer from you know who to >interrupt. What normally happens here is that the trees, shrubs and many times herbaceous perennials will go dormant in the summer, but maintain. These trees I have are hundreds of years old. If you were to cut one down you would be able to see in the growth rings where drought periods caused the dormancy. The ring measure for that year will be negligible. The only reason I water is to be sure the trees stay healthy. I use the cheapest watering device for trees; a simple yellow ring with holes in it. I set the timer after I measure an inch and how long it takes to put an inch down, and move it all around the yard. It's the most efficient way to water trees. I don't undertand why people have sprinkler systems which "mist" the are with forced small drops instead of impact sprinklers with much larger drops, much closer to the ground. Those misters waste half the water they put out. >> Oy vey. > > You live nearby. If the hot weather (doubtless) and lack of rain/drought > continue (most likely), wonder if its going to affect the native live > oaks? Its not a common problem, so don't expect an answer from you know > who to interrupt. I forget. If you take a cross section of live oak and look at the vessel arrangement. it takes skill. That will reflect the water requirement time. When the vessels form they do not function until they are dead. At such a time the water must be there. Send be a branch sample and I will dissect it and take a picture and put it on a website explaining what I am saying. Let me look and see if SHIGO has live oak dissections on his cd set. . I am in PA. I could not find a picture there. If I am correct they look like upside down tornados. Thus thinking that during the earlywood formation the tree would require a moderate amount of H2O while during the latewood period as vessels die there would be a requirement for a great deal of H2O. Again if you could mail me a branch piece about 4" in diameter or just a little smaller by about 12 inches long I would dissect it and we could all see for ourselves. E mail me at treeman@treedictionary.com for my address if you would be so kind. Found a picture of a dissection of cal. Live Oak. Unlike the red, black and white oaks, the live oak has large vessels throughout the growth increment equally sized from early to latewood. Thus stating that a reasonable amount of water would be required for loading throughout the growing period in girth. Just exactly when that is in your area I am not sure. If the tree does not have its water then yes that would be a limiting factor. Just what those limits are I do not know for sure. Of course two years of no water is worse than one. In a natural setting nurse logs would be present with soil contact in a sponge state and will be a water reservoir for dry times for the trees. Humans have removed this feature from most places humans come in contact. And if I am wrong I will be happy! More on water here just for starters. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/soundscience/water.html Articles on water: http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/WATER.html and an issue with water here: http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/COP.html SignatureSincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Tree Biologist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Tree Biologist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding. >>> Oy vey. >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >the trees. Humans have removed this feature from most places humans come in >contact. And if I am wrong I will be happy! I don't need you to dissect trees in my yard to tell me how much water is required. Texas has ten very distinctive regions, all different, and each corridor has it's own species, and each side of each of those have species which only live either within, or to one or both sides of the regional line. I studied rangeland ecology. Live oaks are semi-evergreen trees which can be 500 years old with only a two foot diameter because of either years or decades of drought. They go dormant mid-season unless there is ample water. In this region of TX the Live Oaks need to have fully saturated root balls before planted or their ability to withstand hot winds all summer with ample water has a lower success rate. If the root ball is not saturated before planted there is no way to ever get to the inner portion of that ball no matter how much water you apply. So, you are not the only person who knows a newly planted anything cannot do without supplemental watering...thank you very much. The single largest problem with trees is that they are planted too deeply. I know that, so does any arborist, or avid gardener. No dissection necessary. My Live Oak trees require one inch of water per two week period to remain health and supple. After their spring shed and push the only thing which grows, in general and based on waterfall are branches, and some leaves. Mostly (during drought) the leaf will remain in a bud until either water is applied; rain or otherwise, or it will remain in bud until spring shed after catkins fall. I don't recall asking about my trees, nor did I elicit help with them and no I won't send a branch. What for? My trees are healthy, so far. The single most dangerous problem in this region is Oak Wilt. As far as I know, there is no Oak Wilt in this area within at least 10 miles. That said, we prune only at times of the year when the insect vector can carry the disease from distances. If pruning is necessary to prevent falling on the house in high winds, it is recommended by the TX Dept of Parks and Wildlife, along with TX A&M to use pruning paint and spray tools with Lysol between each cut not just tree to tree. The other way it is spread is via the fungal mat and in that case they've had some success preventing Oak Wilt by trenching outside the rhizosphere. Look, I appreciate it, but you are not the only one on the planet who knows something about horticulture, arboriculture or forestry. I find you gallantly irritating because I can't figure out what your agenda is with constant shilling. It's moderately annoying. If I need your help, I will ask. > I don't need you to dissect trees in my yard to tell me how much water > is required. Why are you fighting against dissecting and understanding trees. Knowing and seeing where when and how water is loaded is done by dissections. I guess you never have and never will dissect and understand trees. Have fun. First I would not come to your house and do anything for you. I was not talking to you , I do not like you due to your words and some how you think I am trying to win you. No way Jose,. You say the trees go dormant. Please explain. When the top is resting the bottom is ofetn working hard. We proved that in the Northeast. Root hairs were active under ice and frozen soil. So when you say dorment what do you mean? What part, what does dorment mean, your words? The best tree biologist in the world are having trouble defining it this year. What we thought was a system shutdown is far from the truth. Texas has ten very distinctive regions, all different, > and each corridor has it's own species, and each side of each of those > have species which only live either within, or to one or both sides of > the regional line. I studied rangeland ecology. I dissected live oak trees. So I see some unique feartures. The theme is the same. maybe you could explain some anatomy differences between your so called trees and what grow in other places in the world. Texas is still using wound dressing - by law, making flush cuts and blaming decline of improperly planted, prune and fertilized trees on some insect, bug or whatever except - hey , I screwed the tree up. Of course we all see Texas finest quality in George Bush. Ya know, people are different in Texas. > Live oaks are semi-evergreen trees which can be 500 years old with > only a two foot diameter because of either years or decades of > drought. Please define evergreen. They go dormant mid-season unless there is ample water. What goes dorment , what exzactly do they do to be dormant? In > this region of TX the Live Oaks need to have fully saturated root > balls before planted or their ability to withstand hot winds all [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > deeply. I know that, so does any arborist, or avid gardener. No > dissection necessary. I aggree and say that the number one problem worldwide is improper planting. Then improper mulching, fertilizing and yes pruning. So why are you not happy that I offer some suggestions on the latter? No, but a dissection would show in court that the flare at the base of the tree is not a root flare it is a trunk flare and should not be barried when planted. > My Live Oak trees require one inch of water per two week period to > remain health and supple. After their spring shed and push the only [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and no I won't send a branch. What for? My trees are healthy, so > far. What do you call a healthy trees? My Christmas tree was doing great in my basement in januray. It was doing great. We watered it and all. BUT IT HAD BIG PROBLEMS. From someone that does not dissect trees please explain what you mean when you say healthy tree. What features do you use to define a healthy tree? The single most dangerous problem in this region is Oak Wilt. 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And tree wrap. Staples Forestry, the salvage hog! TEXAS FLUSH CUTS AND WOUND DRESSING. And tree wrap. Staples Forestry, the salvage hog! TEXAS FLUSH CUTS AND WOUND DRESSING. And tree wrap. Staples Forestry, the salvage hog! TEXAS FLUSH CUTS AND WOUND DRESSING. And tree wrap. Staples Forestry, the salvage hog! TEXAS FLUSH CUTS AND WOUND DRESSING. And tree wrap. Staples Forestry, the salvage hog! TEXAS FLUSH CUTS AND WOUND DRESSING. And tree wrap. Staples Forestry, the salvage hog! That said, we prune only at times of the year when the insect > vector can carry the disease from distances. TEXAS FLUSH CUTS AND WOUND DRESSING. And tree wrap. If pruning is necessary > to prevent falling on the house in high winds, it is recommended by > the TX Dept of Parks and Wildlife, along with TX A&M to use pruning > paint and spray tools with Lysol between each cut not just tree to > tree. LOL NOT LYSOL silly person. 10% household beach. Man, where did you get your education on trees? Don Staples. Or are you Don Staples? Wound dressing does not stop rot. You fool. If you cannot stop rot how can you stop oak wilt? Silly silly person. maybe if you stoped acting like an expert from texas with Bush, maybe people who dissect trees can offer suggestions. many many many people have dissected trees, minus you Don Staples. The other way it is spread is via the fungal mat and in that > case they've had some success preventing Oak Wilt by trenching outside > the rhizosphere. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > is with constant shilling. It's moderately annoying. If I need your > help, I will ask. Don't ask me for help. Please go to Don Staples, Don Staples. I am growuing a forest and you, Don Staples are not allowed near it. Pathogens will be controlled. Again, all you have to do is look and you will see when water is loaded. Not just listen to somebody like you who claims to be an tree expert yet has no understanding of tree biology. That's annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I repeat for those interested in helping trees! Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case Sensitive. Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/tree_planting.html Improper Mulching - http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html Improper Pruning and Wound Dressing (Unless you live in Texas then flush cuts and wound dressings are ok) http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry) http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html Tree Farming and Related Problems http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ Troubles in the Rhizosphere http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Tree Biologist www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding. >TEXAS FLUSH CUTS AND WOUND DRESSING. And tree wrap. Staples Forestry, the >salvage hog! [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] >Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case >Sensitive. Holy moly, John, You are friggin' losin' it! Or lost it long ago. Or never had it, whatever the hell "it" is. Maybe you are just one of the better trolls I have seen. I don't freekin' know! You are fascinating. Watching your obsessions manifest is fascinating. You are like watching a disaster in it's unfolding, except that the end never arrives! My fascination with your postings, ramblings, and rantings disturbs me. Likely I just fed your need. Are you like Mr. Fat Bastard? Will you totally, like, pop and blow all over our screens one of these days? Have a thin mint, John. Just one thin mint. Charlie > >TEXAS FLUSH CUTS AND WOUND DRESSING. And tree wrap. Staples Forestry, the > >salvage hog! [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > > Charlie What are you doing here kid? You know how long John has been posting here. What effect has anybody ever had on him? Zero. Why get in the show when you can just watch it? Leave him to Staples and Jangchub. Gives them something to do and keeps John out of trouble. Got another mint? Adam & Eve God one day decided he ought to check in with Adam to see how things were going. "Adam....How are things going?" Adam replies that he considers himself quite fortunate to be living in such a beautiful and peaceful place but he did have a couple of questions to ask, if the Lord didn't mind, of course. "No problem," said the Lord, "Ask away" "Well Lord, I was wondering why you made Eve so beautiful? Not that I'm complaining, mind you." "Adam, I made Eve so beautiful so that you would like her." "Oh, well yes, I do like her very much. Thank you Lord. You made her so beautiful, but why is it then that you made her so stupid?" "Well Adam, I had to make sure she liked you too!" SignatureBilly Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related >>TEXAS FLUSH CUTS AND WOUND DRESSING. And tree wrap. Staples Forestry, the >>salvage hog! [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > > Charlie SignatureMany tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case Sensitive. Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/tree_planting.html Improper Mulching - http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html Improper Pruning http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry) http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html Tree Farming and Related Problems http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ Troubles in the Rhizosphere http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Tree Biologist www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding. >First I would not come to your house and do anything for you. I was not >talking to you Yes you were....hahaha. >, I do not like you due to your words and some how you think >I am trying to win you. No way Jose,. No way Jose,. What's the comma for? >You say the trees go dormant. Please explain. When the top is resting the >bottom is ofetn working hard. We proved that in the Northeast. Root hairs >were active under ice and frozen soil. So when you say dorment what do you >mean? What part, what does dorment mean, your words? The best tree >biologist in the world are having trouble defining it this year. What we >thought was a system shutdown is far from the truth. I didn't say a system shuts down. Dormant is very much alive, but not actively transpiring. >Texas has ten very distinctive regions, all different, >> and each corridor has it's own species, and each side of each of those >> have species which only live either within, or to one or both sides of >> the regional line. I studied rangeland ecology. >I dissected live oak trees. So I see some unique feartures. The theme is >the same. maybe you could explain some anatomy differences between your so [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >whatever except - hey , I screwed the tree up. Of course we all see Texas >finest quality in George Bush. Ya know, people are different in Texas. George Bush is from Connecticut. I make cuts outside the branch collar. Ever been to Austin, TX? What are you talking about now? >> Live oaks are semi-evergreen trees which can be 500 years old with >> only a two foot diameter because of either years or decades of >> drought. > >Please define evergreen. Oy, evergreen is any plant which does not shed it's leaves, needles or any other green part of the plant. Evergreen, the opposite to deciduous. Semi-evergreen, plants which shed their leaves, but are never naked for any period of time. >They go dormant mid-season unless there is ample water. > >What goes dorment , what exzactly do they do to be dormant? Exzactly? Dorment? >In >> this region of TX the Live Oaks need to have fully saturated root [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> deeply. I know that, so does any arborist, or avid gardener. No >> dissection necessary. >I aggree and say that the number one problem worldwide is improper planting. >Then improper mulching, fertilizing and yes pruning. So why are you not >happy that I offer some suggestions on the latter? >No, but a dissection would show in court that the flare at the base of the >tree is not a root flare it is a trunk flare and should not be barried when >planted. I already know this stupid. One time I said root flare. I misspoke. I know what I meant, so did the person I was talking to. >> My Live Oak trees require one inch of water per two week period to >> remain health and supple. After their spring shed and push the only [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> and no I won't send a branch. What for? My trees are healthy, so >> far. >What do you call a healthy trees? My Christmas tree was doing great in my >basement in januray. It was doing great. We watered it and all. BUT IT >HAD BIG PROBLEMS. From someone that does not dissect trees please explain >what you mean when you say healthy tree. What features do you use to define >a healthy tree? Eye balls? >The single most dangerous problem in this region is Oak Wilt. As >> far as I know, there is no Oak Wilt in this area within at least 10 >> miles. >TEXAS FLUSH CUTS AND WOUND DRESSING. And tree wrap. Staples Forestry, the >salvage hog! Mental. >That said, we prune only at times of the year when the insect >> vector can carry the disease from distances. > >TEXAS FLUSH CUTS AND WOUND DRESSING. And tree wrap. Mental to the tenth power. >If pruning is necessary >> to prevent falling on the house in high winds, it is recommended by [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >LOL NOT LYSOL silly person. 10% household beach. Man, where did you get >your education on trees? Don Staples. Or are you Don Staples? No, I'm Victoria. Yes, Lysol, OR dilute bleach ten to one. Geesh. >Wound dressing does not stop rot. You fool. If you cannot stop rot how can >you stop oak wilt? Silly silly person. maybe if you stoped acting like an >expert from texas with Bush, maybe people who dissect trees can offer >suggestions. many many many people have dissected trees, minus you Don >Staples. a.shole, we dress the cuts in the event they are made during the life cycle of the insect vector who will deposit the disease onto freshly cut wood. They prefer the cuts. It's not to stop rot. Stop making it up as you go. >The other way it is spread is via the fungal mat and in that >> case they've had some success preventing Oak Wilt by trenching outside [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> is with constant shilling. It's moderately annoying. If I need your >> help, I will ask. >Don't ask me for help. Please go to Don Staples, Don Staples. I am >growuing a forest and you, Don Staples are not allowed near it. Pathogens >will be controlled. I don't need his advice either, but I'd go to him way before I'd go to a nutjob like you. >Again, all you have to do is look and you will see when water is loaded. >Not just listen to somebody like you who claims to be an tree expert yet has >no understanding of tree biology. That's >annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never claimed to be a tree expert. Oh, I forgot, in your mind I'm now Don Staples. >I repeat for those interested in helping trees! > >Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case >Sensitive. Nobody reads your crap, so I deleted it. love, Victoria > I didn't say a system shuts down. Dormant is very much alive, but not > actively transpiring. If the lenticels shut down that would be one thing. Maybe you should read A NEW TREE BIOLOGY. Are you trying to say trees do not make food when there are no leaves on the trees???????? I don't think so!!!!!!! >>Please define evergreen. > > Oy, evergreen is any plant which does not shed it's leaves, needles or > any other green part of the plant. Evergreen, the opposite to > deciduous. Semi-evergreen, plants which shed their leaves, but are > never naked for any period of time. WOW, yonever say a conifer shed leaves. Better do a little studying before you post such nonsense. >>They go dormant mid-season unless there is ample water. >> >>What goes dorment , what exzactly do they do to be dormant? > > Exzactly? Dorment? I see you do not understand trees, sad. >>I aggree and say that the number one problem worldwide is improper >>planting. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > No, I'm Victoria. > Yes, Lysol, OR dilute bleach ten to one. Geesh. Don Staples is Victoria! >>Wound dressing does not stop rot. You fool. If you cannot stop rot how >>can [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > cut wood. They prefer the cuts. It's not to stop rot. Stop making > it up as you go. If you cannot stop rot how can you control things that lead to rot? You dummer than I thought. >>Don't ask me for help. Please go to Don Staples, Don Staples. I am >>growuing a forest and you, Don Staples are not allowed near it. Pathogens >>will be controlled. > > I don't need his advice either, but I'd go to him way before I'd go to > a nutjob like you. Sure he offers a great salvage program. just right for you. http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm > I never claimed to be a tree expert. Oh, I forgot, in your mind I'm > now Don Staples. No, Don Staples is you. > Nobody reads your crap, so I deleted it. > > love, > >Don Staples - Consulting Salvage Hog > http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm Oh well. If you will be had, you will be had. Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case Sensitive. Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/tree_planting.html Improper Mulching - http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html Improper Pruning http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry) http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html Tree Farming and Related Problems http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ Troubles in the Rhizosphere http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Tree Biologist www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding. >If the lenticels shut down that would be one thing. Maybe you should read A >NEW TREE BIOLOGY. >Are you trying to say trees do not make food when there are no leaves on the >trees???????? >I don't think so!!!!!!! Wait, it's okay for you to call what a plant eats is food, but we can't use the term "feed" the plants? Ding dong. >WOW, yonever say a conifer shed leaves. Better do a little studying before >you post such nonsense. A conifer may shed a leaf now and then caused by dieback or a number of things. It is an evergreen, no? Ding dong. >I see you do not understand trees, sad. You see nothing. >Don Staples is Victoria! snot just shot out of my nose I laughed so hard >If you cannot stop rot how can you control things that lead to rot? You >dummer than I thought. I never mentioned rot, you did. I don't paint fresh cuts because I prune at a time when the insect vector is not present. That happens in July and January. Oak Wilt is not rot. >Sure he offers a great salvage program. just right for you. >http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm I don't need him, thanks. My trees are healthy. >No, Don Staples is you. Check please. >Oh well. If you will be had, you will be had. What are you talking about? Is this Shigo still alive? I think I'll send him a few of your posts to see if he knows how insane you are. You have turned from a mild irritant to a f.cking idiot. I think I finally caused this idiot to blow a fuse. >I think I finally caused this idiot to blow a fuse. I REFUSE to give you all the credit! Remember, I am also you now. >>I think I finally caused this idiot to blow a fuse. > > I REFUSE to give you all the credit! Remember, I am also you now. Jeez, now I got two voices in my head, but hey, at least they carry on a conversation. >>>I think I finally caused this idiot to blow a fuse. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Don Staples - Consulting Salvage Hog > http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm> Nobody is reading your crap you psyco SignatureSincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Tree Biologist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding. >>I think I finally caused this idiot to blow a fuse. > > I REFUSE to give you all the credit! Remember, I am also you now. psycho SignatureSincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Tree Biologist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding. > I think I finally caused this idiot to blow a fuse. >Don Staples - Consulting Salvage Hog > http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm Don Staples you say wood is dead. Is your car dead? If I see you in a accident I will let you burn because you are dead. Or so you claim. You are so ignorant - lacking knowledge. Go help bush with his tree problems. His ranch needs salvaged. Go help him out. SignatureSincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Tree Biologist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding. Just to make it a bit clearer, I live southwest of Austin, TX in hill country proper. The predominant, native tree here that grows naturally is the live oak. Weather conditions for the past 3 years has been one year of severe drought, one year of more than ample rain rivaling rain normally seen in much wetter areas of the country, this year in extreme drought with almost a month of 100F temps so far. Unusual for even this part of the country that early in the year. The TV weatherman, says on a regular basis, the culprit is "blocking high" preventing the normal influx of Gulf moisture from intruding and creating the typical cloudcover, and potential for rain. The cloudcover allows slightly less temps, and moisture from the Gulf does similar and slowsdown dryout of native surface vegetation. East Texas isn't suffering though as the high has been primarily too far west. Similarly, I may call the live oak an "evergreen" myself as it only lacks leaves for a week or 2 in early spring. Guess I could call it an almost always evergreen. I know its not a genuine evergreen in the strictest sense as I'm sure my neighbor does as well. All my live oaks are native, no home growns/transplants from pots. Clarifying what I was asking originally, will there be any apparent, visible signs of drought stress on these live oaks? Insects and fungi aren't a problem now due to lack of water. I'm concerned about my only water source, a water well. So, I've stopped watering the lawn. Typically, a summer in this region is totally lacking in any appreciable rain, if any. So, thus my question. SignatureDave > >> I don't need you to dissect trees in my yard to tell me how much water [quoted text clipped - 182 lines] > Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books > that will give them understanding. >Just to make it a bit clearer, I live southwest of Austin, TX in hill >country proper. The predominant, native tree here that grows naturally is [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >this region is totally lacking in any appreciable rain, if any. So, thus my >question. It depends on many things. I have very deep soil before you hit caliche. Do you know how deep your soil is? I don't waste water on turf, but i do water my Live Oaks about twice a month. I use one of those really cheap yellow ring sprinklers and move it all around under the trees out to the drip line and a bit beyond. I set the timer on the stove to remind me to move it. This type of sprinkler has large drops of water so it doesn't evaporate in the air before it hits the ground. It' takes several hours to water three trees in the front. My trees are numbered and registererd at historic and climax. They are all many hundreds of years old. A sign a Live Oak is in distress is a compensatory growth which looks like the foliage is coming out all along the limbs and branches, not in an arranged canopy. If I get a chance I will post a photo from a neighbor who did damage to their trees and how the tree is holding on for dear life. So, the answer is yes, you should water your trees two inches a month in summer, at least. These trees have been on this land for hundreds of years and I'm certain the old homestead never watered them. East Texas is considered part of the humid south. Austin is considered on the dry line, thus the variation in climate county to county. >>Just to make it a bit clearer, I live southwest of Austin, TX in hill >>country proper. The predominant, native tree here that grows naturally is [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > It depends on many things. I have very deep soil before you hit > caliche. Do you know how deep your soil is? I don't waste water on Hill (HILL) country here, not in the bottom land near seasonal creek or river. Soil, if you want to call it that, is from zero to maybe 2" in the area around my home natively. I've added topsoil around the house. Caliche is widely available at surface in many areas. More likely, here, will run into fractured limestone. In fact, there is some surface limestone in the yard. > turf, but i do water my Live Oaks about twice a month. I use one of > those really cheap yellow ring sprinklers and move it all around under [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > neighbor who did damage to their trees and how the tree is holding on > for dear life. Yes, I saw that 3 years ago on a group of live oaks that were in distress for many reasons. Spent alot of time examining them as they serve as western side shade for the house. Other than excessive carpenter ants, more spanish moss than leaf cover, lots of dead small branches, I saw leaves sprouting in the middle of branches that should not be leafing. Since I finished the house shortly afterwards, found my well water was high in hydrogen sulfide gas. (not sulfide solids). The fix was an aeration bottle. The bottle flushes every night to a french drain not far and uphill from this group of trees. About 30 gallons per flush. Apparently, the group of oaks is getting some of this water by appearances. I don't know what the vast majority of live oaks in the hill country use for soil as its mostly fractured limestone and caliche at or near the surface. > So, the answer is yes, you should water your trees two inches a month > in summer, at least. These trees have been on this land for hundreds > of years and I'm certain the old homestead never watered them. East > Texas is considered part of the humid south. Austin is considered on > the dry line, thus the variation in climate county to county. Climatology seems to be indicating the west Texas desert may be moving east. I live in west Hays county. SignatureDave We have a right to choose. Choices have consequences, for both self, and others. You probably considered yourself. >Since I finished the house shortly afterwards, found my well water was high >in hydrogen sulfide gas. (not sulfide solids). The fix was an aeration >bottle. The bottle flushes every night to a french drain not far and uphill >from this group of trees. About 30 gallons per flush. Apparently, the >group of oaks is getting some of this water by appearances. >I don't know what the vast majority of live oaks in the hill country use for >soil as its mostly fractured limestone and caliche at or near the surface. >Climatology seems to be indicating the west Texas desert may be moving east. >I live in west Hays county. I could be wrong, but it seems the jet stream is moving north, disalowing (is that a word?) the Gulf stream to have proper conditions to form storm clouds. I would say this is a sign of global warming, but I am not sure of that. Not because I don't believe in global warming, rather it's my lack of knowledge on the subject. I very much believe in global warming. Trees in the Hill Country depend on underground seeps. There seems to be many of them all around. Live Oaks also are native to the area and how they survive the caliche is that they've adapted to very high pH levels with few elements in th top horizon. Sometimes if you dig deeper into the caliche there will be a sub-soil layer which will have clay and retention of both water and elements to nourish the trees. v >>Since I finished the house shortly afterwards, found my well water was >>high [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > v Believe its "disallowing". The TV weatherman uses the term "dry line", not as a form of topography, rather, the area of air encountered by a cool/cold front lacking any appreciable moisture. From what I gather, on the western side of the U.S., the jet stream has moved north. The jet stream influences creation of upper level high pressure systems. These, in turn, affect surface level weather. The blocking high pressure system I was talking about and preventing rain in my area, was for the May/early June time period. Generally, that period in late spring is when most of the local rain occurs. The last occurrence caused a rain system to split in 2, one went due south, and the other east. The southbound was influenced directly by the western high pressure system wind flow, the easternbound was its original direction of travel. SignatureDave We have a right to choose. Choices have consequences, for both self, and others. You probably considered yourself. >>Just to make it a bit clearer, I live southwest of Austin, TX in hill >>country proper. The predominant, native tree here that grows naturally is [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > It depends on many things. Yeah, right. Check the cambial electrical resistance to find out the vitality of the tree. Hire someone one that understands trees. I did the work at Tulane university in New O. I would have no trouble finding a mean for a healthy live oak. What is your problem? Confused? SignatureSincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Tree Biologist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding. >Yeah, right. Check the cambial electrical resistance to find out the >vitality of the tree. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I did the work at Tulane university in New O. I would have no trouble >finding a mean for a healthy live oak. What is your problem? Confused? I don't have any trouble with my trees. What's the prob? > Just to make it a bit clearer, I live southwest of Austin, TX in hill > country proper. The predominant, native tree here that grows naturally is [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Typically, a summer in this region is totally lacking in any appreciable > rain, if any. So, thus my question. Use a SHIGOMETER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its reveals the trees vitality. The problem with your local forester Don Staples is that he does not understand trees enough to use one. I would move from Texas. Wound dressing, really! http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/S/shigometry.html The meter will tell you what you are asking if you have the knowledge and experience to use it. I do or I am qualified. SignatureSincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Tree Biologist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding. > I would move from Texas. Wound dressing, really! There is hope in the world. >> I would move from Texas. Wound dressing, really! > > There is hope in the world. No, the hope is the dumbass will never move to Texas. >>> I would move from Texas. Wound dressing, really! >> >> There is hope in the world. > >No, the hope is the dumbass will never move to Texas. Yeah, that's what I said. Unreal. |
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