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Just Me - 01 Jul 2009 09:41 GMT
For "Billy" and the gang (of rec.gardens) and all lovers of life on
the frontier . . .

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Rivers-Flow-North-Torn/dp/B0000A2ZR5

One "Customer Review"  . . .

64 times, and counting, August 2, 2003
By A Customer

I have seen this movie 64 times, and I plan on seeing it at least
1,000 times more.
--
Another says . . .

A GREAT ADAPTATION OF A WONDERFUL STORY, August 8, 2001
By  Larry . . .

This review is from: Where the Rivers Flow North (DVD)

Director Jay Craven's adaptation of Howard Frank Mosher's 'Where the
rivers flow north' is one of the finest transitions from literature to
the screen I've ever witnessed . . . The cast is absolutely superb --
especially Rip Torn and Tantoo Cardinal. Torn throws himself into what
could be the finest role of his career with such totality that he
BECOMES Noel Lord, the fiercely independent former lumberjack . . .
I'm both amazed and disappointed that neither of them were nominated
for Oscars when this film was released.
--

But what are you going to get when some crass and clueless critic
(Caryn James) from the NY Times just couldn't get it? It gets lost. It
killed this film's chances for the recognition that many are enraged
to insist it so rightly deserves.

The story is set in Northern Vermont, and it's . . . well, let one of
Amazon's Down Easterners describe it . . .

A great book, a great movie..
By  Joe Hall

While this is one of my favorite movies . . . I might be a tad biased.
I grew up in the kingdom and my heart will always be from there . . .
Filmed where i grew up . . . the story which rang true for many people
when the power companies and or government needed right of way,
destroyed their land . . .This is real life, sadly not fiction (.) I
watched this movie at the Catamont theater in St.Johnsbury VT when it
came out. You should own this and watch this . . .
--
Hard to find trailer (not even at imdb) for what not a few say (with
me) is the BEST MOVIE EVER MADE . . .

http://www.videodetective.com/TitleDetails.aspx?publishedid=5023

I most particularly second the motion of this . . .

Pure stubbornness, February 18, 2005
By  july flowers "joe harvey" (arkansas) - See all my reviews

It's one of the most underated films I can think of. Rip Torn, and
Tanto Cardinal were perfect in their depictions of the characters they
played. In fact if I'd had anything to do with it Tantoo Cardinal
would have gotten an oscar for her performance. She was phenomenal!!
--
You'll know her as "Black Shawl" (squaw of "Kicking Bird"? Or "Burns
Red in the Sun"?) from Dances With Wolves. She is beyond perfect as
the very image of every outdoor man's ideal for a woman or wife.

At IMDb, this one best captures it . . .

A magnificently textured and sublimely performed portrait of rural
life in 1920's Vermont., 18 November 1998

Author: Brendan O'Donnell from New York, USA
Jay Craven's criminally ignored film is a sober breath of fresh air in
the generally narcissistic and derivative world of independent film.

But then of course, you do get . . .

3 out of 8 people found the following comment useful :-
Uneven, 16 July 2001

Author: monkeyface_si (monkeyface_si@yahoo.com)

Rip Torn's characterization is monumental. The great actor has never
been better. Tantoo Cardinal is a perfect fit for him and when they
are on camera together, this looks like a sure-fire classic. Then,
Michael J. Fox shows up as evil personified, and throws every cliche
in the book into a confused performance. The score is fine. But not
good enough to save this turkey.
--
Good he should mention it, because Michael is entirely the reason I'm
thinking of this film ust now. Saw him on Letterman tonight (a re-
run?) and couldn't be more impressed to see the grace with which he is
coping with his tragic malady. It was Michael J. Fox who produced this
film, it was his baby. So, he took a bit part in it, a role that he
was not so believable in.

But, a cautionery note in any event might be wanted:  For those who
can accept nothing short of perfection from their fellow man, whether
from his character or his art, I would recommend an evening spent
staring at a painting of Reubens or Rafael, or a crucifix of Christ,
instead.
--
JM http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
Ray Haddad - 01 Jul 2009 09:48 GMT
>For "Billy" and the gang (of rec.gardens) and all lovers of life on
>the frontier . . .

How about you stop being a dope and post only to the appropriate
newsgroup?

Who want to bet this probably goes over his head?
--
Ray
Mark - 01 Jul 2009 14:54 GMT
> For "Billy" and the gang (of rec.gardens) and all lovers of life on
> the frontier . . .
[quoted text clipped - 101 lines]
> --
> JMhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com

But what does any of this have to do
with Michael Jackson?
Billy - 01 Jul 2009 16:44 GMT
In article
<af1f37f5-ce7d-4a68-a099-e94bf6d7eeaa@z14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,

> > For "Billy" and the gang (of rec.gardens) and all lovers of life on
> > the frontier . . .
[quoted text clipped - 104 lines]
> But what does any of this have to do
> with Michael Jackson?

or gardening? If I wanted the other newsgroups, I would have sought them
out. Cross posting just insures a lot of material that you did not
choose to see, and is normally the work of trolls.
Signature


- Billy

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and
find out for themselves.
Will Rogers

http://www.map-uk.org/regions/opt/news/view/-/id/348/
http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn

Mark - 01 Jul 2009 20:18 GMT
> In article
> <af1f37f5-ce7d-4a68-a099-e94bf6d7e...@z14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 123 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'll assure you "Just Me" isn't a troll. He just likes to
diversify.

I'm growing tomatos. The raccoons dug up the cucumbers.

The rest are gallons and gallons of blackberrys, with
persimmons scheduled in the fall. When persimmons
get wrinkley and ripe they taste like sweet potato pie
with just a touch too much brown sugar.

The muscadines are so prolific, I have to hack them like
kudzu vines just to get out of my driveway. They're
purpleicious.
Just Me - 02 Jul 2009 03:33 GMT
> I'll assure you "Just Me" isn't a troll. He just likes to
> diversify.

Whew. You got here just in the nick of time, as usual, Kimosabe. Now,
if you could just cut your ol' sidekick here loose from these stakes,
we'll ride into town and leave 'em wondering, "Who WAS that Masked
Man?"

> I'm growing tomatos. The raccoons dug up the cucumbers.

Ah, hell.  Well, it just goes to show that not everybody in a mask is
the Lone Ranger.  I wonder if those five cats we've got out there
dancing on the lawn all night are making the difference for us?  DIG
IT: The main garden, 30 foot square, is fenced to a height of 5-6
feet, and yet one morning early this spring we found deer tracks in
there. Damnedest thing is there was only the one set of four prints,
where the critter landed, and that's--what?  It leaped once more and
was gone? But we've got cucumber and squash patches outside the garden
with no fencing.  We got . . .

1. Mr. Pussy (black and white)
2. Mr. Kitty (black and white)
3. Boston Blackie (all black)
4. Mama Katz (black)
5. Wild Thing (a tabby kitten Mama Katz brought out of the woods one
day after a six month absence. But for a normal tail you'd almost
swear that little scrapper was half bobcat.)

> The rest are gallons and gallons of blackberrys, with
> persimmons scheduled in the fall. When persimmons
> get wrinkley and ripe they taste like sweet potato pie
> with just a touch too much brown sugar.

We got one of those trees. Hear tell they're best after a frost?

> The muscadines are so prolific, I have to hack them like
> kudzu vines just to get out of my driveway. They're
> purpleicious.

Man, oh man. I'd be a DRUNK all the time. I'd learn to make it dry and
ambrosial as the finest Grand Cru of Bordeaux. All we get are these
wee little almost less than pea-sized Fox grapes, and by harvest time
for lack of rain, they've pretty much turned to raisins even before
they had a chance to ripen.

Searching for an understanding of what in the world some such thing as
this dread Usenet creature known as a "troll" might be--all I'm able
to turn up is that they are entirely from Norway (not Israel or Miami,
or Maxwell Street in Chicago) and are the natural enemy to a
goat . . .

The Three Billy Goats Gruff
--
Norway
Once upon a time there were three billy goats, who were to go up to
the hillside to make themselves fat, and the name of all three was
"Gruff."

On the way up was a bridge over a cascading stream they had to cross;
and under the bridge lived a great ugly troll , with eyes as big as
saucers, and a nose as long as a poker. [Long but not "hooked" like
the villain of the famous Brothers Grimm tale, "The Jew in the
Thornbush". So let it be known that a "troll" is a troll and a Jew is
a Jew--he is NOT a Norwegian, let alone a Lutheran! And need there be
any mention of a goat?]

So first of all came the youngest Billy Goat Gruff to cross the
bridge.

"Trip, trap, trip, trap! " went the bridge.

"Who's that tripping over my bridge?" roared the troll .

http://tinyurl.com/lhhsqy
--
"Who's that tripping?"

Why! It must be me. We should not stray too far from topic!  Oh, no!
"We got to get ourselves back to the Gar--ar-ar-ar-den . . ."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZVxZn8tSwQ&feature=related

JM
--
http://whosenose.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_archive.html
http://whosenose.blogspot.com/2008/06/by-force-of-historical-necessity.html
http://whosenose.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html
Just Me - 04 Jul 2009 00:51 GMT
> But what does any of this have to do
> with Michael Jackson?

Well, this may be just the Friday night merriness of the Merlot
talking but, you know me, I'm the kind of guy who goes around feeling
sorry for Bernie Madoff and yes, even Joe Jackson and the likes of Ike
Turner and Sarah Palin so be sure to consider the source.

As for Michael, I thought he was ten times the singer and dancer when
he was 11 years old, than anytime ever after.  So, is it any wonder he
wanted to live and stay in Neverland, forever? He had to lose
everything in order to become a man. Not that this should take
anything away from his "Moonwalk", or his glittery white glove--but it
DID take away from the way he could sing that fabulous Gloria Gaynor
hit, Never Can Say Goodbye, which by the way, happens to be the
soundtrack that was playing all the way through the grandest Love
Affair of my own whole, otherwise comic opera of a personal
life . . ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT0KOALEUBM

My ever so sweet and adorable Gloria . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQA49NZAyls
--
JM

http://vignettes-mackie.blogspot.com
Stanley Moore - 04 Jul 2009 02:35 GMT
On Jul 1, 8:54 am, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> But what does any of this have to do
> with Michael Jackson?

Well, this may be just the Friday night merriness of the Merlot
talking but, you know me, I'm the kind of guy who goes around feeling
sorry for Bernie Madoff and yes, even Joe Jackson and the likes of Ike
Turner and Sarah Palin so be sure to consider the source.

As for Michael, I thought he was ten times the singer and dancer when
he was 11 years old, than anytime ever after.  So, is it any wonder he
wanted to live and stay in Neverland, forever? He had to lose
everything in order to become a man. Not that this should take
anything away from his "Moonwalk", or his glittery white glove--but it
DID take away from the way he could sing that fabulous Gloria Gaynor
hit, Never Can Say Goodbye, which by the way, happens to be the
soundtrack that was playing all the way through the grandest Love
Affair of my own whole, otherwise comic opera of a personal
life . . ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT0KOALEUBM

My ever so sweet and adorable Gloria . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQA49NZAyls
--

My salad days in dark night discos is recalled by the GG song which is great
indeed. Sweat, drugs, and booze along with some fine dancing. But I believe
the Jackson 5 recorded this one before Gaynor. The young love affairs are
great. If they pan out they are wonderful, if not they are wonderful
memories. Take care
Signature

Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad

Just Me - 04 Jul 2009 04:56 GMT
> On Jul 1, 8:54 am, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> indeed. Sweat, drugs, and booze along with some fine dancing. But I believe
> the Jackson 5 recorded this one before Gaynor.

No damn sh.t!  Really?

> The young love affairs are
> great. If they pan out they are wonderful, if not they are wonderful
> memories. Take care.

Stanley L. Moore, what can I say?

> --
> Stanley L. Moore
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> of every wickedness."
> Joseph Conrad
Stanley Moore - 04 Jul 2009 05:51 GMT
On Jul 3, 8:35 pm, "Stanley Moore" <smoor...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Just Me" <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> believe
> the Jackson 5 recorded this one before Gaynor.

No damn sh.t!  Really?

---------------------------------------
Well you referred to the fabulous Gloria Gaynor hit and MJs singing of it.
That is putting the cart before the horse. Gloria Gaynor is covering the
great Jackson 5 song. I think she did a great job of it and it brings back
many memories of my misspent youth <G>. I also like Michael's version as
well. Take care
Signature

Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad

Just Me - 04 Jul 2009 05:42 GMT
> My salad days in dark night discos is recalled by the GG song which is great
> indeed. Sweat, drugs, and booze along with some fine dancing. But I believe
> the Jackson 5 recorded this one before Gaynor.

Stanley, you are so RIGHT!  And I am amazed. My respect for the
Jackson Five is increased a thousand-fold.  Here's all the dope on
it . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Can_Say_Goodbye

To think that it was little 11 year old Michael that . . . excuse me,
talk amongst yourselves, I'm getting a little verklempt. I'll give you
a topic: Isaac Hayes . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzLDE9qv5-E&feature=related

> The young love affairs are
> great. If they pan out they are wonderful, if not they are wonderful
> memories.

Oh, they are, they ARE.  And it was so mad, so from out of nowhere,
when from out of the buzzing electronic mist of a mercury lamp lit
Rodeo Drive night she came, in red hotpants and (it is beyond belief)
in a hooded black cape, in spiked heels and sheer black tights
distributing leaflets for a dime-a-dance ballroom uptown on Melrose
boulevard . . .

Memories?  Wonderful?

You got it, Mr. Stanley L. Moore.

> Take care

You bet, buddy.

> --
> Stanley L. Moore
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> of every wickedness."
> Joseph Conrad

Ain't it just exactly the case?
Stanley Moore - 04 Jul 2009 06:00 GMT
On Jul 3, 8:35 pm, "Stanley Moore" <smoor...@comcast.net> wrote:

> My salad days in dark night discos is recalled by the GG song which is
> great
> indeed. Sweat, drugs, and booze along with some fine dancing. But I
> believe
> the Jackson 5 recorded this one before Gaynor.

Stanley, you are so RIGHT!  And I am amazed. My respect for the
Jackson Five is increased a thousand-fold.  Here's all the dope on
it . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Can_Say_Goodbye

To think that it was little 11 year old Michael that . . . excuse me,
talk amongst yourselves, I'm getting a little verklempt. I'll give you
a topic: Isaac Hayes . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzLDE9qv5-E&feature=related

The Isaac Hayes version is much more mellow than the others but it still is
a great classic song. Haven't heard the Communards version. Take care
Signature

Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad

Stratum101 - 04 Jul 2009 15:46 GMT
> The Isaac Hayes version is much more mellow than the others but it still is
> a great classic song. Haven't heard the Communards version. Take care

I called KGIL once, ca. 1975, to ask them to play the Gloria Gaynor
version.  Keri Tombazian answered the phone herself and explained
in her Valley Girl accent that Gaynor was too hot for Sherman
Oaks.  Lordy.  You could hear Gaynor coming out of
every window, and I couldn't even mollify Ms. Val with a
promise to tune away from KFAC for 30 minutes
if they'd only play my song.
Stratum101 - 04 Jul 2009 15:21 GMT
> Oh, they are, they ARE.  And it was so mad, so from out of nowhere,
> when from out of the buzzing electronic mist of a mercury lamp lit
> Rodeo Drive night she came, in red hotpants and (it is beyond belief)
> in a hooded black cape, in spiked heels and sheer black tights
> distributing leaflets for a dime-a-dance ballroom uptown on Melrose
> boulevard . . .

What kind of purple Prozac *is* this sh.t?  It's Los Angeles, dude,
and it's Melrose Avenue, not boulevard, and it's crosstown, not
uptown.
The dime-a-dance places of Nathaniel West were on Western Ave.

I'll cede to your intimate knowledge with the place on the issue
of mercury lamps on Rodeo.  I know side streets have variations
of the old incandescent lantern style that're emblematic of L.A.
about 1930.
Billy - 01 Jul 2009 16:38 GMT
In article
<88cabcb8-75e6-45b2-a811-9f2ee64d6739@t21g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,

> For "Billy" and the gang (of rec.gardens) and all lovers of life on
> the frontier . . .
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Where-Rivers-Flow-North-Torn/dp/B0000A2ZR5

Heartland looks good too.
http://www.amazon.com/Heartland-Rip-Torn/dp/B00004XMSU/ref=pd_bxgy_d_img_
b

Today's to do list is headed by fish emulsioning and mulching. It's good
to have the drip irrigation working again. When the harvest comes (give
or take 6 weeks), I won't have 2 hours every other day to water. Which
reminds me that I'd better move some of my plants into larger pots.
Signature


- Billy

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and
find out for themselves.
Will Rogers

http://www.map-uk.org/regions/opt/news/view/-/id/348/
http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn

Michael O'Connor - 03 Jul 2009 04:26 GMT
Beetlejuice saw the Exorcist about a hundred and sixty seven times,
and it kept on getting funnier every single time.
 
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