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Homeowner Forum / Lawn and Garden / July 2007Why do ripe fruits - especially when canned - smell bad?
Hi: I notice that many fruits [excluding apples] emit foul odors when ripe. What chemicals are responsible for this? I've done as much research as I can on this but not gotten anywhere. This isn't a homework assignment. I am asking these questions out of personal interest. I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard, and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus- yellow; this is when they start to stink. What causes those immeasurably-foul odors? It could not be putricine. Putricine smells like rotting flesh, which is also a foul odor but totally different from that of ripe fruits. To my nose, over-ripe fruits don't have a smell that even nearly resembles rotting flesh. Both are equally bad odors, though. Its also not ethylene - a chemical used to speed ripening. Ethylene has a sweet pleasant smell to it. I have smelled it myself in a lab. It's beautiful. Butyric acid smells like stinky cheese [including Swiss], smelly feet, sweaty shirts, dirty socks, neck-sweat, back sweat, filthy scalp and unwashed hair. So it definitely isn't butyric acid. In fact, since these foul odors occur after ripening [a process which uses up the acids]; I doubt that any acid or acidic substance is responsible for the foul odor of ripe fruits. I notice the stink especially in canned fruits. Most fresh fruits don't have as much of a strong stink even when ripe. However, canned fruits [often dripping in syrup] have an unbearable stench to me. Maybe it is something to do with the sugar? I don't know. Why do canned ripe fruits stink more badly than fresh ripe fruits? Also, it can't be ethanol. I like the smell of ethanol. I've asked similar questions in science newsgroups, and they think I have an olfactory perception disorder causing me to perceive odors differently from other humans. I don't believe this at all. I have tried tiresomely searching on google but there are no websites that have an answer to my question. Also, I've noticed that most ripe fruits do not have to be rotten in order to give off the foul odors I sense. Simply being ripe causes the odor. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. If this is out of your expertise would you please give me an idea of who could answer my question? Thanks, Radium > I notice that many fruits [excluding apples] emit foul odors when > ripe. What chemicals are responsible for this? 1. Employees of canning plants are notorious for defecating in canned fruit. 2. Lots of vegetable matter decomposes into unpleasant things with time or heat. I have a grapefruit tree near my window, and there are days it makes me gag. 3. The odor of apples consists of about nine main ingredients. Other fruits are even more complex. Many of these smell pretty bad on their own, Some of them break down in the canning process, and the ones left behind might stink pretty badly. 4. Things like sulfur dioxide might be added to preserve the color during canning. 5. Fruit that is canned is often fruit that's too rotten to sell. Dangerous Bill <snip fertilizer of sarcasm> No offense but if you're going to answer, please do so with serious responses. It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out that you're purposely goofing around. > <snip fertilizer of sarcasm> > > No offense but if you're going to answer, please do so with serious > responses. It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out that > you're purposely goofing around. Seems like this question was posed a year ago and went nowhere. The only difference I notice is that fresh is better. - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) > Seems like this question was posed a year ago and went nowhere. The only > difference I notice is that fresh is better. Okay. What chemicals are responsible for the foul smell of ripe fruits? Why is the odor even worse if the fruits are canned? > <snip fertilizer of sarcasm> > > No offense but if you're going to answer, please do so with serious > responses. It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out that > you're purposely goofing around. Then omit number one. The rest are reasonable explanations, plus the possibility that you may have one of the many forms of anosmia. Usually it is just age, but sometimes changes in the sense of smell are the first symptoms of a brain tumor. Have a nice day. DB > > <snip fertilizer of sarcasm> > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > DB Shweet! <rofl!!!>  SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson > > <snip fertilizer of sarcasm> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > DB The only disease I am diagnosed with is Asperger's syndrome. I got a brain scan 5 months ago, no anomalies -- such as tumors. In addition, I am only 23, so you can take 'age' off the list. I've also taken smell tests in my organic chemistry lab. I've takes organic chemistry as a course in my college. Long list of chemicals I've gone through. Still no answer to the stench of ripe fruits. In addition, none of the chemicals I sniffed even remotely smell like ripe fruit. My guess is the stink of ripe fruits is a result of a mixture of different organic substances, excluding the following: 1. putricine 2. ethylene [sweet smell] 3. butyric acid [or any acid/acidic substance for that matter] 4. ethanol [sweet smell resembling most alcoholic beverages] 4. chemicals resulting from fungus 5. chemicals resulting from decomposition snips > My guess is the stink of ripe fruits is a result of a mixture of > different organic substances, excluding the following: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > 5. chemicals resulting from decomposition These all sound about right. However, ripe fruit smells nice. It's the over-ripe fruit that starts to smell bad. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > "Radium" <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1181502776.951307.22420@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > snips > > My guess is the stink of ripe fruits is a result of a mixture of > > different organic substances, excluding the following: > > 1. putricine > > 2. ethylene [sweet smell] > > 3. butyric acid [or any acid/acidic substance for that matter] > > 4. ethanol [sweet smell resembling most alcoholic beverages] > > 4. chemicals resulting from fungus > > 5. chemicals resulting from decomposition > These all sound about right. However, ripe fruit smells nice. It's the > over-ripe fruit that starts to smell bad. Possibly. However, AFAIK, the stink of OVER-ripe fruits is *also* a result of a mixture of different organic substances, ^^excluding^^ the aforementioned 5 categories of chemicals. Ever smelled a papaya? EEWWWWWWWW! Stinky! > snips > >> My guess is the stink of ripe fruits is a result of a mixture of >> different organic substances, excluding the following: >> >> 1. putricine product of decay of proteins (nitrogen containing compounds) >> 2. ethylene [sweet smell] really fairly odorless >> 3. butyric acid [or any acid/acidic substance for that matter] smells sort of goatlike, is this what you percieve >> 4. ethanol [sweet smell resembling most alcoholic beverages] this is a product of fruit decay >> 4. chemicals resulting from fungus whay to say this? >> 5. chemicals resulting from decomposition all of the above are the results of decomposition to some degree. > These all sound about right. However, ripe fruit smells nice. It's the > over-ripe fruit that starts to smell bad. j. > > > <snip fertilizer of sarcasm> > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - That's great to know, Radium. Only Asperger's is NOT a disease. It's a different formation of the brain. It works faster than the "normal" brain model and is capable of faster learning, better memory and the capacity for concentration Asperger's associated with means that the person with AS has greater chances of excelling in his or her chosen area of study/research/ profesional undertaking. Autism (both in men and women) is a manifestation of extreme male intelligence and tends to gravitate towards the logical rather than emotional, true. Aspies make decisions based on facts which sometimes is not a bad thing! (that's why you won't find a racist among Autistic people: racism is not logical). Not being able to always read body language/ have eye contact/ popensity towards dyslexia/ hypergraphia/ difficulty in recognising when others are lying is an inconvenience by society's standarts, true. But it's NOT a disease!! LOL :-)))) Roza xxx Artistic Autistic www.myspace.com/rozagy > Hi: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > homework assignment. I am asking these questions out of personal > interest. <snipped troll> You do this every year... Last time it was on rec.food.cooking. Get a life! SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson > <snipped troll> > > You do this every year... > Last time it was on rec.food.cooking. > > Get a life! Excuse me. The questions I've asked about ripe fruits are not trolls. I asking a serious question in a crosspost to all relevant newsgroups. WTF does everyone think I am a spammer looking for attention?! I did ask this question about ripe fruits last year. All I got was nonsense responses -- some blaming it on my "genes" or nervous system. Both which I know to be totally wrong. Please abide by my humble request to answer my questions with serious, rational answers [please, please, please]: What chemicals are responsible for the foul smell of ripe fruits? Why is the odor even worse if the fruits are canned? I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that it is *not* putricine, ethylene, butyric acid [or any acid/acidic substance for that matter], ethanol, chemicals resulting from fungus, or chemicals resulting from decomposition. In addition, the answer is nothing close to what "Bill Penrose" [the goofball] claimed. I am guessing it is most likely an organic substance [i.e. a compound containing carbon and hydrogen] but none of those described above. Please obey my desperate requests to answer rationally and as correctly as you can. Please also keep out the jokes, humor, and off- topic crap. It's not amusing. > > <snipped troll> > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > correctly as you can. Please also keep out the jokes, humor, and off- > topic crap. It's not amusing. Okay, two questions. Have you tried googling, and, why do you care? If the fruit smells/tastes foul to you, just don't eat it! The vast majority of us don't seem to have your problem so the genetic issue is definitely a real partial reason. Your denial of that is counterproductive. And, if you do find out what you are looking for, what are you going to do about it? Okay, so that was 3 questions. ;-) I don't find canned fruit to be foul odored or tasting. I love it. I also prefer ripe fruit to green. To me, under-ripe fruit is sour and has a crappy texture. Every single person that I am personally aquainted with is in agreement. Give me a half-melted peach any day over a rock hard one! Since you seem to be over-sensitive, you might be able to make some money as a scientific guinea pig. You, my dear, are NOT NORMAL! SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson > In article <1181490399.194645.201...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > Have you tried googling, and, why do you care? In Radium's defense, there's not a lot of information out there on food constituents. Food companies, who have done the most research in this area, are extremely secretive about their stuff, much like cosmeticians and perfumers. Natural odors are usually pretty complex. The odor and flavor of apples was reconstituted by blending nine pure chemicals previously identified by GC/MS and other methods. Coffee flavor, on the other hand, has at least 640 constituents. Changes in any one of them may dramatically affect the flavor. I know this sh.t because I worked for 14 years in electronic olfaction, ie, using chemical sensors to simulate the 150 or so odor receptors in the human olfactory epithelium. What we call an 'odor' is generally a combination of responses from many of these sensors. Good book: Turin's 'The Secret of Scent', the memoir of a professional perfumer. Some fascinating insights on odor and chemical structure. For example, the odors of many chemicals are independent of the stereoisomerism -- an observation that should stop most chemists in their tracks. Possibly the best chemistry-related light read of 2006. I gave copies to friends. Dangerous Bill > > In article <1181490399.194645.201...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Dangerous Bill Sounds interesting. :-) I have enough of a background in organic and biochemistry, I could probably appreciate it. Thanks for the recommend! SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson > ...In addition, the answer is nothing close > to what "Bill Penrose" [the goofball] claimed. You mean you *know* the answer? Then why the question? When fruits ripen, one of several mechanisms of autolysis set in. Enzymes are cut loose that begin the breaking down process of the fruit. In most berries, the 'purpose' is to attract birds or other animals that will eat the berries and distribute the seeds. Many fruits work this way, too. Bananas are a good example. They don't turn black because of bacteria or mold, but because enzymes start breaking down the fruit from inside. Only later do bacteria, molds, and yeasts get in the picture. Some berries become so fermented that birds have been observed to get drunk. The products of autolysis include alcohols and esters, but they're different for every kind of fruit, depending on the enzymes present. Now what happens in canning? The enzymes would be killed by the heat, so any breakdown would have to be nonenzymatic, ie, esters decomposing to alcohols and acids, etc. Sulfur compounds to smaller and more volatile sulfur compounds, etc. By the way, my mother once worked in a fruit packing plant. She would never eat canned fruits or vegetables again because of the practices she saw there. Okay, there's your answer. It is also true that food companies go to some lengths to prevent these processes, so don't rule out the brain tumor hypothesis either. DB > > ...In addition, the answer is nothing close > > to what "Bill Penrose" [the goofball] claimed. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > DB A nice scientific explanation. If that does not satisfy him, nothing will. Well done! Now, care to expound on the fruit canning practices that turned your mom off? I'm intrigued! SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson > Okay, there's your answer. It is also true that food companies go to > some lengths to prevent these processes, so don't rule out the brain > tumor hypothesis either. Ever since I was born, I've perceived the smell of ripe fruits to be bad. Nothing has changed in terms of that. If I ever had a brain tumor, the signs would show, and there would be other neurological symptoms as well -- such as paralysis, involuntary movements, impaired vision/hearing, visual/auditory hallucinations, impaired balance, dizziness, vertigo, memory loss, false memories, distortion of existing memories, loss of awareness, decreased level of consciousness, alteration in sense of time, dissociative states, tinnitus, etc. >>Okay, there's your answer. It is also true that food companies go to >>some lengths to prevent these processes, so don't rule out the brain [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > consciousness, alteration in sense of time, dissociative states, > tinnitus, etc. I have a co-worker that thinks tomatoes smell somthing like kerosene. absolutely refuses to eat anything w tomatoes in it. He also thinks chocolate smells bad. forget what he said as to what it smells like to him. otherwise he seems perfectly normal. as to your affliction, because it is uniquely yours, if you percieve canned fresh fruit to smell bad. the question you should ask is: IS there anyone else who agrees with me? Until you find someone with a similar affliction, further discussion if futile. You are asking questions about something only you can percieve. j. >I did ask this question about ripe fruits last year. All I got was >nonsense responses -- some blaming it on my "genes" or nervous system. >Both which I know to be totally wrong. Why do you think those answers were 'nonsense' and 'totally wrong'? If most people thought ripe fruits smelled bad, there simply wouldn't be a market for ripe fruits whatsoever, especially canned fruit. The fact that both sell well should tell you that most people _don't_ find them bad smelling. >What chemicals are responsible for the foul smell of ripe fruits? Why >is the odor even worse if the fruits are canned? You need to rephrase the question: "What chemicals are responsible for making ripe fruit smell bad to me?" However, since we are not you, we can't asnwer that. We don't know how or why your sense of smell is different from most people. >I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that it is *not* >putricine, ethylene, butyric acid [or any acid/acidic substance for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >most likely an organic substance [i.e. a compound containing carbon >and hydrogen] but none of those described above. What you need to do is to find an organic chemist who knows what fairly volatile compounds are common in ripe fruit, eliminate those you listed above (other than acids, many odoriferous organic compounds are acids, and ripe fruits certainly contain acids), eliminate those in unripe fruit and ripe apples, and ask for a sniff test of the remaining compounds. >Please obey my desperate requests to answer rationally and as >correctly as you can. Please also keep out the jokes, humor, and off- >topic crap. It's not amusing. If you are going to insist on dismissing what others have told you and what should be obvious to you (there is something different about you), and continue to claim ripe fruits smell bad rather than ripe fruits smell bad to you, you're going to draw jokes and insults, or be dismissed as a troll. So are you really interested in an answer, or are you a troll? If you really want an answer, nobody here can answer you, other than in an organic chemistry lab. On 6/9/07 8:30 PM, in article 1181446222.307022.185680@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com, "Radium" <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi: I notice this garden has been invaded by the Radium borer. This pest is spreading far and wide. While not destructive, it is worse than the most noxious weed I have seen. Bill SignatureIraq: About three Virginia Techs a month > On 6/9/07 8:30 PM, in article > 1181446222.307022.185680@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com, "Radium" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bill I noted he said he had Asperger's syndrome. It is a severe personality disorder that explains why he won't listen to any of the answers that he's been given. The cure for it is a severe beating. SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson To Those Who Care: I would like to give you some information about my disability. The reason I am posting this message is to help avoid any potential misunderstandings [though it's probably too late]. I have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome (AS). AS is a neurological condition that causes significant impairment in social interactions. People with AS see the world differently and this can often bring them in conflict with conventional ways of thinking. They have difficulty in reading body language, and interpreting subtle cues. In my situation, I have significant difficulty with natural conversation, reading social cues, and maintaining eye contact. This can lead to a great deal of misunderstanding about my intent or my behavior. For example, I may not always know what to say in social situations, so I may look away or may not say anything. I also may not always respond quickly when asked direct questions, but if given time I am able express my ideas. However, it's important to note that Asperger's does not affect the sense of smell. On Usenet, the text-equivalent of my disability is probably noticed. I do apologize profusely, for any inconvenience it causes. Thank you very much in advance for your understanding, cooperation, and assistance. Best Regards, Radium Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> expounded: >However, it's important to note that Asperger's does not affect the >sense of smell. No, but it definitely could have something to do with your inability to accept the sincere answers that have been given you in this thread. Fruit smells bad only to you. It doesn't smell bad to the rest of us. SignatureAnn e-mail address is not checked > Fruit smells bad only to you. Sour fruits don't smell bad. In fact, they smell delicious. IMHO, there is nothing more appetizing than the fresh, delicious, heavenly, bright, warm, cool, elastic, vibrating, buzzing, tingly, rejuvenating, refreshing aroma of sour, organic, natural, pesticide- free, red-&-green peaches right from the tree. Compare the above paradise to the stench of yellow, squishy, sugary, juiceless, starch-like, over-ripe peaches. EWWWWW! Stinky stinky stinky. > > Fruit smells bad only to you. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > juiceless, starch-like, over-ripe peaches. EWWWWW! Stinky stinky > stinky. Then just don't eat them for pity sakes! I don't see what your issue is! Everybody has individual tastes. Just go with what works for you. Knowing the "chemical composition" is not going to change anything. Have them up your meds. Please. SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson > > > Fruit smells bad only to you. > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Please. Om, remember the story of the tar-baby? The more Br'er Rabbit messed with it, the worse it got. I think what we got here is a tar-baby. If you is havin' fun, go ahead on, but if you t'aint, stop messin' wit it. - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) In article <rosefam-33361B.17142310062007@cor8-ppp5025.per.dsl.connect.net.au>, > > > > Fruit smells bad only to you. > > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > - Billy > Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) Point taken. ;-) I just need to kf the thread. And that poster.... That way I won't be prodded into wasting my time. I've dealt with AS people on other lists before, and they really are never worth debating because it's like they just don't hear you or something. Hence my comment about needing a severe beating. Please forgive me but there are some people I just have no patience for. Think he will go away if we ignore him? SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson > Point taken. ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Hence my comment about needing a severe beating. Want me to hold your jacket? - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) > Knowing the "chemical composition" is not going to change anything. I want to know the chemical composition so I can use those malodorous compounds for olfactory-sadomasochistic purposes and to play pranks on my enemies by making them stink badly like yellow, squishy, sugary, juiceless, starch-like, over-ripe mangoes, that way no one will go near them. Quick Quick. The party is soon! > > Knowing the "chemical composition" is not going to change anything. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Quick Quick. The party is soon! Bye babe. ;-) <plonk> SignaturePeace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson > Bye babe. Not fair! I ain't trolling. I am serious, I want to make my enemies smell bad like yellow, squishy, sugary, juiceless, starch-like, over- ripe mangoes. Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> expounded: >> Knowing the "chemical composition" is not going to change anything. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Quick Quick. The party is soon! IO actually think it's rather sad you're trolling newsgroups under the guise of having AS. A troll is a troll. Buh-bye! SignatureAnn e-mail address is not checked > IO actually think it's rather sad you're trolling newsgroups under the > guise of having AS. A troll is a troll. Buh-bye! I ain't trolling. I am serious, I want to make my enemies smell bad like yellow, squishy, sugary, juiceless, starch-like, over-ripe mangoes. >I ain't trolling. I am serious, I want to make my enemies smell bad >like yellow, squishy, sugary, juiceless, starch-like, over-ripe >mangoes. But, will anyone really notice, other than yourself? (Mmmmm, mangoes...) On Jun 11, 7:07 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > >I ain't trolling. I am serious, I want to make my enemies smell bad > >like yellow, squishy, sugary, juiceless, starch-like, over-ripe [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > (Mmmmm, mangoes...) Everyone will notice and ask "who went kakaa in their pants"? >On Jun 11, 7:07 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Everyone will notice and ask "who went kakaa in their pants"? And then you complain that others think you're mentally unbalanced. Go figure. On Jun 11, 11:11 am, david.bostw...@chemistry.gatech.edu (David Bostwick) wrote: > And then you complain that others think you're mentally unbalanced. Go > figure. kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa kakaa On Jun 11, 11:11 am, david.bostw...@chemistry.gatech.edu (David Bostwick) wrote: > In article <1181579156.702083.278...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > And then you complain that others think you're mentally unbalanced. Go > figure. What's "mentally unbalanced" about saying 'kakaa'? >On Jun 11, 11:11 am, david.bostw...@chemistry.gatech.edu (David >Bostwick) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >What's "mentally unbalanced" about saying 'kakaa'? Other than the fact that most kids grow out of that by the time they're 8-10, nothing. My point was that you get upset about others who belittle you, but you're looking for the chance to put others in the same situation. Sort of like, "Do it to Julia!" >To Those Who Care: >I have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome (AS). AS is a >neurological condition that causes significant impairment in social >interactions. One of which, as I understand, is social cluelessness causes AS people to often insult people or piss people off, unintentionally. >However, it's important to note that Asperger's does not affect the >sense of smell. Actually, it may. AS people often have one or more senses overly sensitive so something minor irritates them. Often it's something like tags on clothes, they have to cut them off. On Jun 10, 6:13 pm, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > >To Those Who Care: > >I have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome (AS). AS is a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > sensitive so something minor irritates them. Often it's something like > tags on clothes, they have to cut them off. Clothing is something I am extremely sensitive to. > On Jun 10, 6:13 pm, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Clothing is something I am extremely sensitive to. Hi Radium, I CARE!!! And congratulations by the way on your diagnosis! The wold of Autism is not a bad world to live in at all, especially if one values truth, justice and perceverance in pursuit of excellence in the chosen field. Welcome to our world!!! LOL :-)) The more of us know who we are - the less likely we'll stay a marginalised minority who are easily bullied (and believe me, there aren't Aspies out thre who haven't been bullied. I personally never heard of an Aspie bullying someone else. Kill in exasperation as the last resort - yes! (mainly oneself) But bully - we do not! why can't people live and let live? Anyway, for all the differences and "problems", the world of Autism has its' place and we - Aspies - have the right to live our lives free from bullying, witch-hunt, discrimination and ostrasizing. Now, lets focus on the positive and go create something amazing! Love, Peac & Harmony! Roza www.myspace.com/rozagy > > On Jun 10, 6:13 pm, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > www.myspace.com/rozagy Big thanks for your understanding. Here everyone was thinking I am mentally ill. Hopefully your expertise will help society understand those who are different. |
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