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zhaojason2000@gmail.com - 21 Sep 2008 21:11 GMT
Hi, all,

Are there anybody who is still interested in Gibraltar bridge?

Recently it was said that a tunnel is being planned:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7515125.stm

We actually have a creative idea to build an economical and feasible
bridge which potentially can save billions of dollars compared with
all existing designs or the tunnel.  But we are not sure how we can
promote the idea.

If you are a company or institution who is seriously interested and
also can influence the outcome of the Gibraltar bridge, please reply
to me.

Thanks and have a great day!

Jason Zhao and his father
C Rivil - 22 Sep 2008 07:34 GMT
> Are there anybody who is still interested in Gibraltar bridge?
>
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> We actually have a creative idea to build an economical and feasible
> bridge which potentially can save billions of dollars

Well you can patent a design but not a concept...

My concept for the Gibraltar bridge is a sagging bridge with a jet engine
pointing upwards every 100 feet on both sides of the bridge and along the
sag.

Then to level the bridge just run the jet engines...
C Rivil - 22 Sep 2008 07:41 GMT
> Well you can patent a design but not a concept...
>
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>
> Then to level the bridge just run the jet engines...

Actually as I describe my jet engine bridge and draw it...I can patent it
but it applies to bridge use in general and not to some bridge in
particular...but that's actually better. Patent pending...
C Rivil - 22 Sep 2008 07:54 GMT
>> Well you can patent a design but not a concept...
>>
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> but it applies to bridge use in general and not to some bridge in
> particular...but that's actually better. Patent pending...

And my concept...as I first called it...is a specific element of a bridge
design and is therefor a system. Patent pending...
C Rivil - 22 Sep 2008 21:10 GMT
>>> Well you can patent a design but not a concept...
>>>
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> And my concept...as I first called it...is a specific element of a bridge
> design and is therefor a system. Patent pending...

And of course when I said jet engines every 100 feet I meant...regularly
spaced jet engines along the bridge and on both sides of the bridge.
C Rivil - 22 Sep 2008 21:47 GMT
>>>> Well you can patent a design but not a concept...
>>>>
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> And of course when I said jet engines every 100 feet I meant...regularly
> spaced jet engines along the bridge and on both sides of the bridge.

And what I really meant was...periodically spaced jet engines along the
bridge and on both sides of the bridge.
Charly Coughran - 22 Sep 2008 22:42 GMT
>>>>> Well you can patent a design but not a concept...
>>>>>
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> And what I really meant was...periodically spaced jet engines along
> the bridge and on both sides of the bridge.

Sure you didn't mean appropriately oriented, independently acting,
reaction force application devices of any kind positioned
symmetrically, or asymmetrically, in such a manner as to compensate
for naturally occurring, or man made, steady and/or variable
structurally destructive loads?
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C Rivil - 22 Sep 2008 22:48 GMT
>>>>> Well you can patent a design but not a concept...
>>>>>
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> And what I really meant was...periodically spaced jet engines along the
> bridge and on both sides of the bridge.

No that's...regularly spaced but likely asymmetrically spaced jet engines
along the bridge and on both sides of the bridge.
AndyS - 23 Sep 2008 13:10 GMT
> No that's...regularly spaced but likely asymmetrically spaced jet engines
> along the bridge and on both sides of the bridge.

Andy comments:

 Wouldn't you save a lot of money by having just one BIG jet engine
in the middle, and cables connecting it wo assmmetrically spaced
contact points along the bridge....

  It could be refueled by a dirrigible.....

             Andy in Eureka, Texas

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necromancer en mickey mouse land - 23 Sep 2008 21:07 GMT
>  Wouldn't you save a lot of money by having just one BIG jet engine
>in the middle, and cables connecting it wo assmmetrically spaced
>contact points along the bridge....

If the engine fails, down comes the bridge.

>   It could be refueled by a dirrigible.....

Whynot use a pipeline runnig from the shores to the engines? And where
would the fuel for these engines come from? The bin Laden family or
Mohammed Atta's survivors?

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AndyS - 25 Sep 2008 02:26 GMT
> If the engine fails, down comes the bridge.

Andy writes:

You  are such a pessimist !!!!

All we have to do is to pass a law that says the engine
will not be allowed to fail....

... I don't think you understand the political think-do .....

               Andy in Eureka, Texas
Rick Samuel - 25 Sep 2008 12:33 GMT
">>
>> If the engine fails, down comes the bridge.
>>
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>
> ... I don't think you understand the political think-do .....

               Andy in Eureka, Texas
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Or repeal a law, gravity
necromancer - 25 Sep 2008 14:33 GMT
>... I don't think you understand the political think-do .....

I guess so. I always thought that the laws of physics overrode the
laws of man.

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AndyS - 25 Sep 2008 19:09 GMT
On Sep 25, 8:33 am, necromancer

> I guess so. I always thought that the laws of physics overrode the
> laws of man.

Andy comments.
    You are observant... Remember.... the US Supreme Court has
,.... BY LAW.... classified the tomato as a vegetable..... in
opposition
to every  botanist and vegetabilist on planet earth.... go google
it....

So much for "facts"

                 Andy in Eureka, Texas
PeterD - 22 Sep 2008 15:08 GMT
>> Well you can patent a design but not a concept...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>but it applies to bridge use in general and not to some bridge in
>particular...but that's actually better. Patent pending...

Instead of jet engines, how about hot-air ballons? <bg>
Brad Bishop - 22 Sep 2008 11:18 GMT
>> Are there anybody who is still interested in Gibraltar bridge?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> We actually have a creative idea to build an economical and feasible
>> bridge which potentially can save billions of dollars

I remember watching the Extreme Engineering show on this and other topics. I
hated that show. The only episode that I thought fell into the realm of
possibility was the Bering Straight Bridge. A 50-mile bridge over fairly
shallow waters and some of the technology had already been figured out on
the Confederate Bridge in Canada (the ice problem).

"But a huge barge filled with oil has lost control of her systems and is
heading straight for the bridge... Can the bridge stand up to the force of a
fully loaded barge?... (few dramatic moments later) Everything's OK. The
engineering team has seen to it that nothing bad will ever happen..."
(not exactly how they played it out but not too far from it)

They changed it a few years later and had that nerdy guy climbing around on
a few construction sites. That was far more interesting.

Some of the dumb ideas I remember:
- a floating tunnel across the atlantic
- the Gibraltar Bridge (not the idea of someone coming up with something
that worked - more just the idea that they presented - it looked like it'd
collapse under it's own weight)
- I think they had a mile-high building or some pyramid building in the
middle of Tokyo Bay

They may as well have had an episode on building a dome over NYC.
PeterD - 22 Sep 2008 15:06 GMT
>> Are there anybody who is still interested in Gibraltar bridge?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>pointing upwards every 100 feet on both sides of the bridge and along the
>sag.

100 ft? No way, I think you can go 100 meters easily!

>Then to level the bridge just run the jet engines...

"Captan, we need more power on engine 4,345!"

"Give her all you can Scotty, we've got to level the bridge before the
Klingons attack!"

Oh, sorry, got carried away!
Froggie - 22 Sep 2008 13:52 GMT
> On Sep 21, 3:11 pm, zhaojason2...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi, all,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> all existing designs or the tunnel.  But we are not sure how we can
> promote the idea.

The problem with a bridge is that A) at the narrowest point, the
Strait is still 8 miles (~13km) wide, and B) the Strait isn't exactly
shallow...it's several hundred feet deep (200+ meters) and at one
location is over 1,000ft (305m) deep.  And one of the busiest maritime
shipping lanes in the world to boot...

Froggie
 
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