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Eroding Dirt Foundation of Concrete Slab

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Jack King - 08 Jun 2008 04:01 GMT
We had a slab built a few years ago and the builders simply built-up the
earth to support a even slab, there are no concrete foundations...only
dirt. The dirt is now eroding from around the perimeter of the slab
leaving its corners hanging in the air. Anything I can do to repair
this? Advice is greatly appreciated.

Jack.
Steve - 08 Jun 2008 05:44 GMT
> We had a slab built a few years ago and the builders simply built-up
> the earth to support a even slab, there are no concrete
> foundations...only dirt. The dirt is now eroding from around the
> perimeter of the slab leaving its corners hanging in the air.
> Anything I can do to repair this? Advice is greatly appreciated.

I'd talk to an engineer before doing anything. You might need to just
replace the dirt, and you might need to do something drastic.

Speculation: Replace the dirt, then build a retaining system with concrete
block.

Get thee to a foundation contractor.
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Firemedic - 19 Nov 2008 16:19 GMT
Firemedic had written this in response to
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ete-Slab-14378-.htm

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I have a 3' x 6' aggregate slab that holds 2 - 3-ton HVAC units. With our
Southern soil, the clay-dirt has settled and/ or eroded underneath the pad
over time (10+ years).
Will placing supports of treated lumber (railroad ties, etc.) or steel
with concrete support be sufficient or would you suggest excavating around
the pad, building a block footer wall and then filling the void with
concrete?
Additionally, the pad does not currently show any signs of stress (cracks,
fractures, etc.) and no signs of tilting or potential collapse.

Thank you.

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PeterD - 19 Nov 2008 18:13 GMT
>I have a 3' x 6' aggregate slab that holds 2 - 3-ton HVAC units. With our
>Southern soil, the clay-dirt has settled and/ or eroded underneath the pad
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>Thank you.

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You may want to post some images of what the slab looks like, because
I can't quite see how you are getting your erosion. Is it on a slope?
If so then a retainer (personally I'd go for cement/block over wood)
would make sense.
dbr@kbrx.com - 19 Nov 2008 23:40 GMT
Where are you located? The freeze/defrost cycle might be a cause of the
errosion.

Hul

> Firemedic had written this in response to
> http://www.thestuccocompany.com/construction/Re-Eroding-Dirt-Foundation-of-Concr
ete-Slab-14378-.htm

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> Additionally, the pad does not currently show any signs of stress (cracks,
> fractures, etc.) and no signs of tilting or potential collapse.

> Thank you.

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hawgeye - 08 Jun 2008 13:08 GMT
"Jack King"  wrote...
> We had a slab built a few years ago and the builders simply built-up the
> earth to support a even slab, there are no concrete foundations...only
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>
> Jack.

You didn't mention what the slab is used for.  If there is no significant
load applied where the erosion is taking place, you could get away with
replacing the dirt.  You need to install some sort of drainage system around
the perimeter, assuming that water is causing the erosion.

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jloomis - 08 Jun 2008 14:36 GMT
First, Slap the contractor.......What a nice guy.....
I even put a small footing in a 3x4 stair pad just for that reason.....

The only thing you can do is undermine the exterior slab along the perimeter
and fill the area with concrete either by building a form and or external
footing with block.  You may have to make the form or block wall 3" away
from the slab inorder to "pump" the concrete into the area.....
You should get the "Builder" to do this for you.  It may help teach him a
lesson.  I would also say an easier way would be to build a retaining wall
with PT fir. and backfill to the bottom of the slab and compact the
earth.....
Depends on what you want to see.  Concrete is more permanent.
jloomis
> We had a slab built a few years ago and the builders simply built-up the
> earth to support a even slab, there are no concrete foundations...only
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> Jack.
 
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