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door frame first or flooring?

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HockeyFan - 24 Jan 2007 21:44 GMT
I'm building (and contracting some of the work) my own house.  This is
my second house and learned a bunch from the first.  One thing that I'd
really like to know is that after putting up drywall, ceiling, etc,
what order do I do the door frame and flooring?  Do I go ahead and put
in the door frame, so that it's sitting on top of the concrete, and
then tile goes in next (that's the way I did it the first time), or do
we go ahead and get the tile down and put the door frame in afterwards
so that  the tiler doesn't have to try to tuck tile under the door
frame?

Anyway, how is this typically done?
If the door frame is done first, then does the tile installer just cut
tile so that it fits snuggly against the bottom of the door frame, or
for a more seemless look, does he rough cut and install it so that it's
just beneath the door frame and is there just a bit of a gap between
the concrete floor and the door frame?

I hope I've posed this question well enough to get an answer from
people in the know.
cmluke13@gmail.com - 25 Jan 2007 03:35 GMT
> I'm building (and contracting some of the work) my own house.  This is
> my second house and learned a bunch from the first.  One thing that I'd
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I hope I've posed this question well enough to get an answer from
> people in the know.

Most builders leave the floors for last.  You should hang all doors and
trim after dry wall. Then you should paint all trim and doors first
then ceiling and walls.  The floors go in last. You can rent a saw that
is special made for cutting door casings to allow tyle to go under..
After floors are in, fenish with quarter-round shoe molding.
Good Luck,
Luke
cmluke13@gmail.com - 25 Jan 2007 03:43 GMT
> I'm building (and contracting some of the work) my own house.  This is
> my second house and learned a bunch from the first.  One thing that I'd
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I hope I've posed this question well enough to get an answer from
> people in the know.

Most builders leave the floors for last.  You should hang all doors and
trim after dry wall. Then you should paint all trim and doors first
then ceiling and walls.  The floors go in last. You can rent a saw that
is special made for cutting door casings to allow tyle to go under..
After floors are in, fenish with quarter-round shoe molding.
Good Luck,
Luke
HerHusband - 25 Jan 2007 15:58 GMT
>> I'm building (and contracting some of the work) my own house.  This is
>> my second house and learned a bunch from the first.  One thing that I'd
>> really like to know is that after putting up drywall, ceiling, etc,
>> what order do I do the door frame and flooring?

> Most builders leave the floors for last.

I think builders opt for floors last to minimize damage from the various
trades moving through the house.

We built our own house a couple of years ago, and we installed our hardwood  
and tile floors before installing the door frames and cabinets. Much easier
to install the flooring, no trimming of the doors needed, no fitting around
cabinets, etc. Other than some trim work, the rest of the house was
finished, so there was very little traffic on the new floors.

I think either order would work fine, but I thought installing the door
frames last was much easier.

However, carpet was the very last thing we installed before moving in.

Anthony
CWatters - 26 Jan 2007 21:37 GMT
> I'm building (and contracting some of the work) my own house.  This is
> my second house and learned a bunch from the first.  One thing that I'd
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> so that  the tiler doesn't have to try to tuck tile under the door
> frame?

In my house it went...

Concrete
Door fames
Tile
Architrave
Skirting

Its not practical to put the skirting on before tiling so you will have
someone working in the room after tiling anyway.
M&S - 28 Jan 2007 16:50 GMT
> I'm building (and contracting some of the work) my own house.  This is
> my second house and learned a bunch from the first.  One thing that I'd
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I hope I've posed this question well enough to get an answer from
> people in the know.

To add to some of the other replies. With regards to tile there are some
other reasons its best to go in last. Many people think droping your
trim/doors on top of the tile will be easier for the finish carpenter,
which in many cases it is, but this leaves small gaps at each grout
joint under the base/case/jambs. These gaps are unsightly and nearly
imposible to clean over time. Additionally doing it this way doesnt
easily allow for compensation of humps/bumbs in the floor should there
be any. If you are installing thin/short base its really not an issue to
bend the base to meet the floor however many homes are moving towards
tall base (4-5-6 inches) and hardwoods such as oak. These materials are
nearly impossible to flex and even if you can get them there often times
fasteners will not keep them there. The only option then is scribing all
your base to the floor.

When you install your tile last, you are left with a clean, crisp,
cleanable/wipable corner at the base. As the other reply said, it is
most common to cut the jamb up to allow the tile to pass under it
eliminating the need for a tricky cut at the door stops but thats it.
Either a power jamb saw (rent) or an offset dovetail saw (buy) works fine.

Mark
 
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