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Kenny H - 22 Dec 2006 21:39 GMT
I am a mason of over two decades that has recently purchased a home in Port
Richey, FL.

Soon after moving into the home I noticed termites had all but eaten the
frame of a garage door (the tin door was already in disrepair aside from the
damage to the wood frame or as a result of the damage of the wood frame).

On a windy day the door would collapse inside the garage and upon one of
those occasions I decided enough was enough and murdered the termites with
boric acid, hauled the garage door to the dump, and installed a concrete &
steel reinforced concrete block wall in its place (along with a simple steel
access door to the old garage.

Soon thereafter I received a ticket for $50.00 + double fines.

Having worked in all but three states in this country I was astounded,
especially after reading the codes online, as to why I ought to be extorted
this way.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the dictionary definition of a "structural" wall
is still any wall that is load bearing (the garage door was never load
bearing, and for that matter anything I put beneath the bondbeam is not load
bearing, as it is self-supporting.

Taking it one step further.....let's say a hurricane should blast through
here....what would you suppose would be safer to stand behind? The garage
door of tin and damaged wood frame, or the concrete block with steel and
grout-filled cells?

Which leads me to the impetus behind this letter. Could you finally inform
me as to which avenue I can take to rectify the inappropriate fines and
codes (not exclusive of my scenario; how can I address them?).

There's a few areas I'd like to address in a more formal arena (such as: why
is it not requiring a permit to put up a wooden fence yet a block fence
requires we not only pay $100.00 per linear foot + $5.00 for each additional
$1k + $30.00 zoning "fee" + $25.00 Review "fee" + the cost of a stamp of
approval from an engineer on a simple 4' non-bearing, non-retainer high
wall?). Not even in California is this applicable (north or south!).

Basically I'd like to address some issues because it seems to me that "we
the people" are being robbed without a gun here and before I die I'd like to
change something for the betterment of my fellow men (as opposed to
profiting by manipulating them; or blindly standing behind rules for the
profiteering of a select group of "leaders").

Pardon the tone of this letter....but if you're a resident of Florida you
are probably aware of some of the other money grabbing schemes that are
occurring with taxes and insurance, etc.

Respectfully,

Kenny Hendrick
727-565-2177
bill allemann - 23 Dec 2006 01:24 GMT
The word "Florida" in the Seminole language means fleece the seekers of warm
weather.

> Basically I'd like to address some issues because it seems to me that "we
> the people" are being robbed without a gun here and before I die I'd like
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> Kenny Hendrick
> 727-565-2177
Raider Bill - 23 Dec 2006 18:18 GMT
Welcome to the sunshine state! Get used to it, going to get worse
believe me.
Been here 25 years, Tenneessee herew I come.
Art  Yokell - 23 Dec 2006 20:52 GMT
Bye bye!

> Welcome to the sunshine state! Get used to it, going to get worse
> believe me.
> Been here 25 years, Tenneessee herew I come.
Raider Bill - 24 Dec 2006 17:12 GMT
> Bye bye!
Not so fast, still got a lot of work to do yet in TN. before I can
move. Watch for me on the streets and roads, I am the one on a
motorcycle.
AndyS - 24 Dec 2006 17:18 GMT
Kenny H wrote:>
> Pardon the tone of this letter....but if you're a resident of Florida you
> are probably aware of some of the other money grabbing schemes that are
> occurring with taxes and insurance, etc.

Andy writes:
   It probably isn't Florida so much as the local municipality or
county
government.  If you live in and "upscale" community, there are often
lots and lots and lots of building codes and homeowner associations to
deal with...

    It's like that in Texas, in some places.  However, in rural Texas
where
Iive, it's probly similar to rural Florida.  I  don't need a permit to
build a house,
put in electrical, dig a well, pour a driveway, shoot a gun, or build a
fence.

   So if you choose to live in close  proximity to other people, who
are
generally concerned with "maintaining the neighborhood", or in an area
controlled by unions who are concerned with "maximum work for union
members", you are going to have to pay the price......

   It isn't usually a state thing... it's a location thing....

          Andy in Eureka, Texas

(  Where there are no police, no traffic lights, no jail,
  no schools, and no government..... and the closest
  whorehouse is a long distance telephone call )
Raider Bill - 26 Dec 2006 14:07 GMT
> Kenny H wrote:>
> > Pardon the tone of this letter....but if you're a resident of Florida you
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>    no schools, and no government..... and the closest
>    whorehouse is a long distance telephone call )

THat is correct. In this county which is the most densly populated in
Florida, the codes differ between jurisdictions. I live within a city
boundry. They have codes on top of codes. Inspections and permits for
everything. For instance, here if you change out a receptical or light
switch you are supposed to pull a permit. If you go out of city limits
into the county the permits and inspection requiremnts are just about
cut in half.

Like Andy said about living in TX. I know my property in TN has no
building dept, inspections, permits nothing. One extreme to another.
The down side is you are not guarrenteed a proper job if the contractor
is not held to a standard. Same thing if you buy a self built home
there isn't any checks and balances. We've all seen some pretty scarey
self built projects.
 
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