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> Should architects be licensed? What purpose does licensing designers and
> drafters really serve?
...
> ... Aren't any errors, ommissions or any other corrupt acts settled in
> the courts anyway?
...
Ignoring the all-too-apparent trolling attempt and making the (probably
very rash) assumption there was at least a modicum of seriousness to
the question, I'll simply ask in return--"Should we by the same logic
not license medical practioners or commercial airline pilots, either?"
As for the latter question, the intent is to prevent (or at least
minimize since it obvious that one can never reach perfection) the
number of such incidents.
clintonG - 25 Sep 2006 20:27 GMT
Its not a trolling venture at all. Its a serious issue because fascism has
become the form of government that is prevalent throughout our nation. Do we
want a nation of fascists who are going to continue to determine arbitrarily
who can and who can not work without becoming subjected to criminal
prosecution simply on the basis of a phoney claim that licensing does this
or does that? Where is the proof? There is none because the claim is a lie.
As for your questions regrading licensing others such as medical
practitioners or commercial airline pilots the question is well taken and
the answer is "of course" there should be some type of licensing which would
be better stated as an objective as genuine credible credentialing processes
rather than the arbitrary phoney fascist bullsh!t that fascists like the AIA
and corrupt politicians have drafted into law.
There is no reason an architect must be licensed. None whatsoever. Licensing
architects and interior designers is nothing more than fascism. I witnessed
this in Wisconsin where I live and have been victimized by it myself.
For example, the U.S. government relocated thousands of Laoations in
Wisconsin as a "favor" to pay them back for helping the jew bankers that
started the Viet Nam war murder and assasinate tens of thousands of
civilians who did not want to do business with jews bankers. We are told
they were relocated here in Wisconsin because the geography is similar to
their homeland and obviously their role as murdering assasines is not
discussed. The Laotian men could not find jobs because they were illiterate
and have no skills (not to mention racism) and the Laotian women started
little businesses painting fingernails. Perhaps you recall the trend? Ever
wonder why those businesses aren't around anymore?
As much as I despise the Laoations for what they did in Viet Nam the fat
c.nt "hair stylists" bought and paid for politicians to make laws to protect
their licensed businesses and immediately outlawed painting finger nails
because it was "dangerous" and had to be licensed to make sure the health of
the person's who finger nails were being painted were "protected." Poof! No
more businesses.
As for architects they have become nothing more than designers and drafters
who do nothing hands-on with any life safety concerns other than look up the
codes in books and make sure the drawings conform to specifications. Every
mistake, error, or ommission or anything related to an corrupt business
practice is always settled in court anyway and the claim about "less" is a
lie that has not ever been substantiated.. Licensing architects does nothing
except determine who can and who can not work at their chosen line of work.
A maverick attorney has become the president of the Wisconsin State B.A.R.
and he and others are now involved in attempting to revise the law that
requires lawyers from having to take and pass a B.A.R. exam. They know this
is bullsh!t and so do I.
I support univeristy degree programs followed by rigorous testing followed
by annual coursework or specialized requirements that are genuinely focused
on credentialed credibility. Not any of this horsh!t that grandfathered all
the existing architects except those like me stuck at the wrong point in
time with one exam to go that now have to beg an employer for a job and then
beg the employer for a job assignment to get credits the law requires for
licensing.
Freedom and liberty to work is my objective and is supposed to be my
constitutionally guaranteed right which also by law forbids involuntary
servitude. Other people who love freedom and liberty must stand against the
fascist pigs who have taken control of our nation and its to them I
addressed this news article.
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
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> ...
>> Should architects be licensed? What purpose does licensing designers and
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> minimize since it obvious that one can never reach perfection) the
> number of such incidents.
John Reddy - 26 Sep 2006 12:10 GMT
> Not any of this horsh!t that grandfathered all
> the existing architects except those like me stuck at the wrong point in
> time with one exam to go that now have to beg an employer for a job and then
> beg the employer for a job assignment to get credits the law requires for
> licensing.
Why didn't you just say you were pissed about this in the first place
and spare us the rest of your anarchistic, racist drivel?
I know I should ignore crazy clintonG but after he wrote this...
<csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message
news:gSRRg.5423$8_5.2180@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks to corrupt democrats and republicans our nation has become one
> governed by fascism. In the context of the profession of architecture the
Not exactly... we voted these people into office. We (and that includes you
Clinton) allowed this to happen.
> private sector associations like the American Institute of Architects
> actually write laws, pay politicians to pass them and viola! nobody can
> work designing or drafting without being a criminal or subjecting
> themselves to involuntary servitude in the hopes that they might be able
> to get a license.
Not exactly.... a licensed structural engineer can do all this as well.
> The laws now require people who wish to do this type of work to indenture
> themselves to a licensed fascist. The licensed fascist has no obligation
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> Should architects be licensed? What purpose does licensing designers and
> drafters really serve?
Since architects specify and design building structures that human beings
use, licensing gives at least some assurance that such person is competent
and capable of designing a practical, usable and safe structure. Frank
Lloyd Wright wasn't licensed. His designs looked great, but one home was
described by a structural engineer as "not safe from the day it was built"
http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/000993.html
> Does fascism really help protect the safety, health and welfare of the
> public? Aren't any errors, ommissions or any other corrupt acts settled in
> the courts anyway?
So, after your house fall down on you and kills half your family, just go to
the courts and settle up?
> <%= Clinton Gallagher
> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
> MAP 43°2'17"N 88°2'37"W : 43°2'17"N 88°2'37"W
Matt Barrow - 26 Sep 2006 13:37 GMT
>I know I should ignore crazy clintonG but after he wrote this...
>
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> Not exactly... we voted these people into office. We (and that includes
> you Clinton) allowed this to happen.
So how does that refute his contention that our nation is fascistic? Fascism
can, and has many times, been VOTED in.
In his 1947 book "Planned Chaos", Ludwig von Mises laid out how the US was
following the pattern of Nazi Germany and their style of fascism called
"Zwangswirtschaft".
The book is on line at http://www.mises.org/web/2714 and can also be
downloaded as a PDF file.
"Many advocates of interventionism are bewildered when one tells them that
in recommending interventionism they themselves are fostering
anti-democratic and dictatorial tendencies and the establishment of
totalitarian socialism. They protest that they are sincere believers and
opposed to tyranny and socialism. What they aim at is only the improvement
of the conditions of the poor. They say that they are driven by
considerations of social justice, and favour a fairer distribution of income
precisely because they are intent upon preserving capitalism and its
political corollary or superstructure, viz., democratic government.
What these people fail to realize is that the various measures they suggest
are not capable of bringing about the beneficial results aimed at. On the
contrary they produce a state of affairs which from the point of view of
their advocates is worse than the previous state which they were designed to
alter. If the government, faced with this failure of its first intervention,
is not prepared to undo its interference with the market and to return to a
free economy, it must add to its first measure more and more regulations and
restrictions. Proceeding step by step on this way it finally reaches a point
in which all economic freedom of individuals has disappeared. Then socialism
of the German pattern, the Zwangswirtschaft of the Nazis, emerges."
clintonG - 26 Sep 2006 15:38 GMT
I made a vow and will never ever vote for a demonrat or republicrat for the
rest of my life. Ever. Especially at the local level. The political parties
are organized crime syndicates and have become the "domestic enemies" the
founders warned us about which has indeed come to pass.
<%= Clinton Gallagher
>>I know I should ignore crazy clintonG but after he wrote this...
>>
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> disappeared. Then socialism of the German pattern, the Zwangswirtschaft of
> the Nazis, emerges."
clintonG - 26 Sep 2006 15:47 GMT
<snip />
> So, after your house fall down on you and kills half your family, just go
> to the courts and settle up?
I don't want to argue the fact that a license is not required for that type
of building which is also indicative of the fascist fraud that has become
rampant throughout the Jewnited States but goint to court is exactly what we
are compelled to do if such an event occurred anyway and there's never been
any evidence -- ever -- that a license reduces or eliminates any risk to the
safety, health and welfare of anybody.
Our government has become fascist and the fascists have guns they point at
us both figuratively and literally to prevent people like me from doing
what? Getting paid to draw a picture of a desk or a toilet? Are you f*cking
crazy or are you just another filthy fascist pig who hates freedom and
liberty?
<%= Clinton Gallagher
mrsgator88 - 27 Sep 2006 04:36 GMT
> I don't want to argue the fact that a license is not required for that
> type of building which is also indicative of the fascist fraud that has
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>
> <%= Clinton Gallagher
Lots of people in Wisconsin do what it takes to become working architects.
You have a pattern of blaming others for your problems. The only reason
you're not a working architect is you. Despite your racist views I will
pray for you, but don't bother responding, you're now in the killfile,
goodbye.
clintonG - 27 Sep 2006 16:59 GMT
Hey phoney religious sh!t for brains hypocrit. Kill file or not, blaming
those who create problems is the whole point of speaking out and the
scriptures tell us we are to speak out against evil.
I don't need support from a sissie anyway and most of you are all sissies
and punks. You're going to bend over and let the emerging beast system shove
their jew dick right up your tight little christian @sses and you're going
to be to beg them to have their chip implanted into you. Because you are
sissies. Because you love not the truth.
<%= Clinton Gallagher
>> I don't want to argue the fact that a license is not required for that
>> type of building which is also indicative of the fascist fraud that has
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> pray for you, but don't bother responding, you're now in the killfile,
> goodbye.
John Reddy - 28 Sep 2006 11:43 GMT
> Hey phoney religious sh!t for brains hypocrit. Kill file or not, blaming
> those who create problems is the whole point of speaking out and the
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>
> <%= Clinton Gallagher
Rx = decaf & Prozac
RicodJour - 27 Sep 2006 05:30 GMT
> Our government has become fascist and the fascists have guns they point at
> us both figuratively and literally to prevent people like me from doing
> what? Getting paid to draw a picture of a desk or a toilet?
That's what you do for a living?
>Are you f*cking
> crazy or are you just another filthy fascist pig who hates freedom and
> liberty?
So if someone disagrees with you they're automatically a filthy fascist
pig or crazy? Might it not be that they're just pointing out that
you're acting like an a.shole with such posts?
The other people - the ones that disagree with you - are just
expressing themselves the same way you're doing. If you can't accept
their viewpoint, why would you believe they'd accept yours? Because
you're "right"? Please.
As in everything in life, you're either willing to do what it takes or
you're not. No one ever said the world was fair and no one ever said
it was built to make your life easy. There are going to be hoops to
jump through. Make your choices, get over it and move on.
R
clintonG - 27 Sep 2006 16:51 GMT
We'll see what you have to say when they come for you. It will be a few more
years until your rung of the ladder is reached but they're on their way and
you are not going to mean jack sh!t to them. You will be told to stick a
chip up your @ss and because you are a punk that is exactly what you will
do.
<%= Clinton Gallagher
>> Our government has become fascist and the fascists have guns they point
>> at
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>
> R
RicodJour - 27 Sep 2006 18:19 GMT
> We'll see what you have to say when they come for you. It will be a few more
> years until your rung of the ladder is reached but they're on their way and
> you are not going to mean jack sh!t to them. You will be told to stick a
> chip up your @ss and because you are a punk that is exactly what you will
> do.
The only chips that get put into my body have salsa on them, preferably
medium-hot salsa.
If this country sucks so bad, and everybody who lives here is either a
punk or a sissy (according to you), why are you still here? If it's so
bad for you where you are, any place else would be an improvement, no?
If it's that bad, and you are the free person you espouse to be, pick
up and move.
R
Matt Barrow - 27 Sep 2006 20:20 GMT
>> We'll see what you have to say when they come for you. It will be a few
>> more
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> If it's that bad, and you are the free person you espouse to be, pick
> up and move.
Isn't that what they told Einstein in the 1930's?
mrsgator88 - 28 Sep 2006 03:33 GMT
> If this country sucks so bad, and everybody who lives here is either a
> punk or a sissy (according to you), why are you still here? If it's so
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>
> R
He can't. He still lives with his mommie.
> Thanks to corrupt democrats and republicans our nation has become one
> governed by fascism. In the context of the profession of architecture the
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> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
> MAP 43°2'17"N 88°2'37"W : 43°2'17"N 88°2'37"W
I am starting to think that people should need a license to post on
usenet.
RicodJour - 27 Sep 2006 05:23 GMT
> I am starting to think that people should need a license to post on
> usenet.
As Inspector Clouseau queried, "Do you have a lie-sance for your
minkey?"
R
Matt Barrow - 27 Sep 2006 14:07 GMT
>> I am starting to think that people should need a license to post on
>> usenet.
>
> As Inspector Clouseau queried, "Do you have a lie-sance for your
> minkey?"
My what?
RicodJour - 27 Sep 2006 18:20 GMT
> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>
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> >
> My what?
Your minkey, you fuel! ;)
R