Hello all,
We are about to start building our house which sits about 1000' from the
road. We have city water available but are looking into having a well. I am
told that the iron content is high in the area but folks on that street were
on wells before the city water came in about 7-10 years back.
We are considering a well since a water line from the street back to the
house will be very long, cross two creeks (one is rather large) and be in
heavily wooded area. The lot is 7 acres and densely wooded except for what
we have taken out for the driveway and house. I forsee a lot of problems
with 1000+ feet of pipe near all the trees/roots.
Can high iron water be treated at the well/pump somehow to correct this?
What are the prolems with high iron content? Is it unhealthy or foul
tasting? We will be talking to folks in the business very soon and will get
their opinions but I thought I would throw this question out to you guys.
Any input on the water line also appreciated.
Thanks!
longshot - 20 Jul 2006 13:15 GMT
> Can high iron water be treated at the well/pump somehow to correct this?
> What are the prolems with high iron content? Is it unhealthy or foul
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iron turns your toilet/ sink/ bathtub brown. it tastes icky. you can add a
water softener & purifier to cure it. not a clue what all that would cost ,
probably a couple grand.
YYZedd - 20 Jul 2006 13:20 GMT
>> Can high iron water be treated at the well/pump somehow to correct this?
>> What are the prolems with high iron content? Is it unhealthy or foul
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> a water softener & purifier to cure it. not a clue what all that would
> cost , probably a couple grand.
The point though is that it can be dealt with which means the well is still
an option for us.
Thanks for the input.
Hershel Roberson - 20 Jul 2006 14:38 GMT
> Can high iron water be treated at the well/pump somehow to correct this?
> What are the prolems with high iron content? Is it unhealthy or foul
> tasting? We will be talking to folks in the business very soon and will
> get
> their opinions but I thought I would throw this question out to you guys.
Talk to your neighbors that have a well. It's really a matter of how much. A
water softner will remove small amounts, but you will have to put up with
the rest.
We used to have iron from our well (previous house). Every fixture in the
house turned dark brown, it stunk, and the water tasted like a rusty pipe.
It you have a lot of iron, and use a water softner, the iron will stop up
the resin bed on the softner.
I would have been willing to pay some pretty big bucks for city water ! (To
start with, I had a $10K well).
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Hershel
George - 20 Jul 2006 17:06 GMT
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In most areas you won't have a choice. Once a municipal water system is
available you can't drill a well.
Dan Deckert - 20 Jul 2006 17:57 GMT
Since you have a road/driveway, why not trench down the side of it and bury
the waterline there? I'd go 12" below frost line or at least 3~4' deep. As
long as there's no leaks in the line, you 'shouldn't' have a problem with
tree roots. As far as treating the water from a well, I believe you'd have
to go to a reverse osmosis system to have good water.
Add $$$$$ for a whole house system. Frankly, I'd find it hard to believe you
could punch a well and treat the water cheaper then you could run the line
from the street.
Dan
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James - 21 Jul 2006 00:26 GMT
My situation is entirely different, but I can tell you about underground
plastic pipe. We have a cabin in the mountains, at an elevation of 4200
feet. It gets very cold in the winter, and this area is ALL trees.
Our spring is 1200 feet from our cabin, and 300 feet lower in elevation. We
had a ditch witch dig a trench three feet deep, and placed plastic pipe (I
think it is one inch, not sure). This was put down in 1978, and we have not
had a problem ever since. I too worried about tree roots growing into it
and I guess it could, but it hasn't ever happened.
Our system has lasted for 28 years. Just something to think about.
Good luck !!
--James--
Glenn - 21 Jul 2006 00:52 GMT
I did a large remodel on a house one time that pulled city water
over 1500 feet and through a 2 inch plastic. Worked well until a
sub dug it up with a backhoe. No one told us it was there. (Out
in a back pasture) Two inch will throw a lot of water until you
find the cut off. :)
> My situation is entirely different, but I can tell you
> about underground plastic pipe. We have a cabin in the
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YYZedd - 21 Jul 2006 14:15 GMT
Thanks everybody for all the good input. Seems that I have some homework to
do. Also, I said "city water" but it is actually county (Henry county, GA),
and we are zoned RA if that makes any difference.
YYZedd - 21 Jul 2006 14:35 GMT
If anyone is interested, here is a link to some pictures of the project. We
are actually getting the gravel driveway finished up this weekend and
getting rid of most of the stumps and wood. Some to be buried, some
chipped/mulched and some will be cut up for firewood. So I don't have pics
of the finished product yet but I will soon.
http://philt.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php
StLouisMike - 22 Jul 2006 03:25 GMT
> If anyone is interested, here is a link to some pictures of the project. We
> are actually getting the gravel driveway finished up this weekend and
> getting rid of most of the stumps and wood. Some to be buried, some
> chipped/mulched and some will be cut up for firewood. So I don't have pics
> of the finished product yet but I will soon.
> http://philt.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php
We had a combination of both of your options. Our well is 400' from the
house! We put 3/4" flexible 200 lb psi water line inside of 2" sch 40
pvc and ran it down the side of the road to our home. Here in the St
Louis area, code suggests 24" underground. The PVC added $200 to the
cost. The sub said that most of the water lines run into homes in the
STL area are 3/4" 180 lb psi flexible to the foundation where the
copper starts and are connected with no conduit protection. All told,
we had the water line installed for about $1,300 which I thought was
good.
I could not find any sch 80 1" to run from the well to the house and
sch 40 scared me to run without some surrounding protection. We've only
been here 6 mos so it's hard to tell how it's going to stand up. Good
luck with your project.
JerryD(upstateNY) - 22 Jul 2006 11:25 GMT
>>>We are about to start building our house which sits about 1000' from the
>>>road. We have city water available but are looking into having a well.<<<
It would be foolish to drill a well where town water is available.
Only someone who has never lived in a place where they had well water, would
consider it.
Hook to the town water.

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Rod & Betty Jo - 22 Jul 2006 12:10 GMT
>>>>We are about to start building our house which sits about 1000' from the
>>>>road. We have city water available but are looking into having a
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> would consider it.
> Hook to the town water.
Not true at all for anyone who uses much water for small farms, lawns or
gardens.....My Dad's shallow well (60ft) has served him well and cheaply (he
drove his own sandpoints) on his two acres for over 60 years.....In his
great wisdom he sank a extra sandpoint nearly 30 years ago...this spring the
original 60yr old pipe finally rusted out so I closed it off and now he only
draws 9gal a minute from the "new" sandpoint. As he approaches 90 one might
assume his well water did no harm....Not to mention that my small city lot
costs considerably more to water for lawn and flowers than his 2
acres.....Rod
longshot - 22 Jul 2006 12:50 GMT
>>>>>We are about to start building our house which sits about 1000' from
>>>>>the road. We have city water available but are looking into having a
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> mention that my small city lot costs considerably more to water for lawn
> and flowers than his 2 acres.....Rod
how much money are we talking about? city is $20/ month & well is free, but
the pump is electric , which cost a few bucks a months I assume, & cost
several thousand up front to get started.
dave - 22 Jul 2006 22:52 GMT
city water here is $70 a month and sewage is over $100 Greencastle,IN.
ten million dollar treatment plants aren't cheap. If I had to hook to
city water I'm afraid once the inspections were complete I would have to
do a little "midnight digging"
JerryD(upstateNY) - 23 Jul 2006 10:40 GMT
> Not true at all for anyone who uses much water for small farms, lawns
> or gardens.....Not to mention that my small city lot costs considerably
> more
> to water for lawn and flowers than his 2 acres.....Rod
Usng an existing well that has good water is much different than spending
the money to drill a well today that very well might have iron in it.

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bill allemann - 23 Jul 2006 17:26 GMT
along with iron, the water often contains sulphur as well.
had a place once with this problem (sold it). Toilets, etc would be brown
and smelly within hours of cleaning.
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J.C. - 24 Jul 2006 13:25 GMT
I grew up on a farm with high iron water. I don't remember much about it
other than the stains on the sinks and toilet. I do remember that the folks
spent a pretty good bit of money on water softeners but I don't remember if
that did anything significant.

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> along with iron, the water often contains sulphur as well.
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Plan Review Section - 24 Jul 2006 23:29 GMT
George gave you the correct answer. You will have no choice in that you
*will be required* to hook on.
And there's often a hefty charge to do so in many parts of the country. (In
dryer parts of the country, it's around $6,000 for water/sewer connect.)
Even with municipal water you may still find you need conditioning to remove
hard water ions, (water softeners are only good at removing small amounts of
clear-water iron, red-water iron almost always requires a special iron
filter, as well-as a water softener.)
You could still have a well for landscaping if you wanted, but you would not
be permitted to use the water as potable if municipal water is available.
As far as the service line is required, I would go with plastic (PEX or
CPVC, PEX is less expensive), and oversize it (you will thank yourself
later.)
Tree roots should not a problem. You will probably need a licensed plumber
to make the municipal connection.
Dennis
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moo@anonamoo.com - 29 Jul 2006 04:56 GMT
Most of the people have talked about water quality problems
and that is something you have to take into account not only
for yourself but also for resale.
I guess eventualy no matter where you live you will endup on
county sewers and water .
Most water lines are now ABS material Flexable pipe and
it is burried with a trencher. Same with Gas Lines.
a metal arm comes off the machien and pulls the line down
under the ground and they can do about 5 feet a minute maybe
in clear fill.
its not a difficult thing to have done it just takes a while
having that stream to cross will be more problems.
maybe a mini backho might be needed.
Putting in a well isnt a bad idea
even if you find that the water is not so great for drinking
you can build your plumbing system so that the toilet flushing
and hose bibs for outside water is on the well and drinking
and washing is on the county system.
So If you have the money for the well then install it.
but expect the break even point to start out arround 10 years.
You might also consider a catchment or Cistern
this is where you connect your rain water downspouts to a large
10,000 gallon Plastic Tank or constructed Concrete tank.
You can then use that water for drinking or just arround the house.
It is not a difficult system to install you just have to plan for the
location of the cistern and also feed your gutter downspouts
from the front of the house to the back of the house on an angle
along the sides of the house.
the cost of the tank is the most expensive thing $1500
and the pump
which you can get for about $75
then you have free water to water the gardens as much as you want.
bob
www.yourepair.com
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