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s. john - 06 Jun 2006 22:58 GMT I need advice. I have a small house and I will install 4.25" crown molding on several rooms. I bought a 10" miter saw but now I have to find a low cost nailer. But a neumatic is not an option due to the cost. I know there is a electric 1.25" nailer. Anybody has any experience with it? will it be enough for the job?
Thanks J
RicodJour - 06 Jun 2006 23:25 GMT > I need advice. I have a small house and I will install 4.25" crown molding > on several rooms. I bought a 10" miter saw but now I have to find a low cost > nailer. But a neumatic is not an option due to the cost. I know there is a > electric 1.25" nailer. Anybody has any experience with it? will it be enough > for the job? Nails should extend into the wood framing about an inch. Add that to the 1/2" of drywall, plus the thickness of the molding, and you'll see that it's not enough. Buy a more expensive gun and sell it on eBay when you're done. It'll be cheaper than renting. The Paslode Trimpulse would be good. It's not pneumatic so you don't need a compressor.
R
Glenn - 06 Jun 2006 23:47 GMT Oh come on now. You have to have a nailer for one little job? I have a flash for you. Before nailers came along we used finish nails, a nail set and a hammer. 8D finish top and bottom is all you need. If you are that inexperienced, do you know how to cope the inside corners?
>> I need advice. I have a small house and I will install >> 4.25" crown molding on several rooms. I bought a 10" [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > R s. john - 07 Jun 2006 00:03 GMT > Oh come on now. You have to have a nailer for one little job? I have a > flash for you. Before nailers came along we used finish nails, a nail set [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> R Thanks for the suggestion on the nailer, I will check it out. No, I don't know how. I read some about it and I will try it with scrap wood before I do the real one. I don't have to have a nailer but will make the job a lot easier, and of course I can't spend a lot of money. If I can't find anything affordable (like the saw) I will buy a box of the 8D like you suggested. Thank you :)
dave - 07 Jun 2006 01:28 GMT eastwing $16.00 Stanley nailset $3.00 predrill your holes
RicodJour - 07 Jun 2006 02:00 GMT > "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message > > > s. john wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > you need. If you are that inexperienced, do you know how to cope > the inside corners? No one said that a nailgun was an essential. A hammer isn't essential. He could tie a rock to a stick and pound the nails in.
A nailer is far easier for crown molding. Holding molding in place, a nail and a hammer... let's see, that's three hands. Since you're experienced there's no no need for me to point out the increased speed of a nailgun and the reduced likelihood of splitting. Since the OP asked for advice on a nailer, I gave him some as the request is a reasonable one.
You can buy a Paslode finish nailer for less than $300. They're sold used on eBay and fetch somewhere between $160 and $240. Is that net cost worth it to the OP? This I don't know. I do know that if he used the Paslode or other cordless nailer, he'd be sorely tempted to keep the gun and fine/make projects to use it.
R
tim - 27 Jun 2006 23:56 GMT >> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message >> > > s. john wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > R I wouldn't rule out a pneumatic nailer either. A small pancake compressor doesn't make that much noise when using a finish nailer. I always wear ear protection when using a nailer anyway. If noise is really a problem set the compressor in an empty room or outside the window. I know that once I got my compressor I found a lot of other uses for it besides just nailing, i.e.: impact hammer (works great on bricks), impact wrench, drill (I needed to cut off a bunch of rusted on nuts and remembered reading one time the the average consumer-grade electric drill is designed for 10 total hours of operation, while an air-driven drill works forever). Plus bike tires, care tires, lawn tractor tires, cleaning lawn mower, cheap pressure washer. And don't forget the sprayer - I used to use mine for the bi-annual renewal of the outdoor wood waterproofing.
Bobk207 - 07 Jun 2006 02:09 GMT > Oh come on now. You have to have a nailer for one little job? I > have a flash for you. Before nailers came along we used finish [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > R Oh come on Glen!
I got a flash for you........ houses were built w/o any power tools years ago. My house was built in 1930 does that mean I should do all my work w/ hand saws & hand drills?
I would second RIco's suggestion but I would add "buy the nailer on eBay" & then flip it back on to eBay' if he cannot afford to keep it.
I got a used Accuset 16 gage "finish nailer" (low end Senco) on eBay for ~100 bucks & a "disposable" compressor is cheap as well.
In today's economy capital is MUCH cheaper than labor.
IMO "buying used" is better than renting even for low frequency usage.
cheers Bob
nailshooter41@aol.com - 07 Jun 2006 06:50 GMT Better still, check the archives on this group for the Harbor Freight line of nailers. >>IF<< he has a compressor and money for guns is his concern, then he can get a brad gun that shoots 2" brads pretty damn cheap (I think last month's ad had it for $29 or something like that). Same with a finish nailer ($79 for a 15 ga nailer). Then damnit, KEEP the guns!
I have a lot of pneumatic nailers including a couple of HF guns, and if you will actually search this group you will find many that feel like the HF guns are a great buy for the money, myself included.
And my experience is that the quality of the material (moldings, trims) we get today is so crappy and hard that you need a nail gun for self defense if you want to have any speed and keep from splitting your wood.
30 years ago we drilled pilot holes and soaped nails and then countersunk them after driving them. SCREW that. It takes too long, and you still get a stray elephant track on occasion. But then we used to cut all of our trim in a "rock maple" mitre box with a back saw. I wouldn't suggest that, either.
As a last resort, hammer and nails. But to me that is like telling a big game hunter to go kill a lion with a rock. Why not use today's technology?
Robert
s. john - 07 Jun 2006 14:32 GMT > Better still, check the archives on this group for the Harbor Freight > line of nailers. >>IF<< he has a compressor and money for guns is his [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Robert Thanks Robert. I looked at HF website and they do have several, and some for $29. Now I have to try to figure out which one I need (I don't know the difference between a brad gun and a finish nailer), and find a low cost air compressor. Thank you all you guys for your help.
SLG - 08 Jun 2006 03:22 GMT > Thanks Robert. I looked at HF website and they do have several, and some for > $29. Now I have to try to figure out which one I need (I don't know the > difference between a brad gun and a finish nailer), and find a low cost air > compressor. > Thank you all you guys for your help. Also depending on how long you think it would take to do your job you might consider rental. I know that the rental locations in my area carry the items you are looking for.
Hershel Roberson - 07 Jun 2006 14:45 GMT > Better still, check the archives on this group for the Harbor Freight > line of nailers. >>IF<< he has a compressor and money for guns is his [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you will actually search this group you will find many that feel like > the HF guns are a great buy for the money, myself included. I bought a HF 18 guage brad nailer / staple gun last year on sale for $19.99. I've shot a couple of thousand brads with it with no trouble. That's not a lot of use, but if it crapped out tomorrow it would still be a good deal.
-Hershel
s. john - 07 Jun 2006 17:15 GMT >> Better still, check the archives on this group for the Harbor Freight >> line of nailers. >>IF<< he has a compressor and money for guns is his [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -Hershel I was looking at that. is it something like this? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=46309
You think it will do the job? What size compressor do I need?
Thanks
nailshooter41@aol.com - 08 Jun 2006 05:49 GMT > I was looking at that. is it something like this? > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=46309 > > You think it will do the job? What size compressor do I need? > > Thanks OK, that one will work fine. Sadly I have that nailer, and it works like a champ. It makes me wonder why I have spent all the dough on Bostitch.... you should be fine with it.
Anyway, that one will do the joints, tacking, and all kinds of trim. It would even work for small crown (some call the 2 1/2 something else) if you use the 2 1/2 nails. However, in tandem with that one, I would also purchase this one and some 2 1/2 inch nails to go with it.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=39092
Must be your lucky day as it is on sale also, and you will be in and out for well under a $100 for both nailers. The bigger nailer is a must on 4 1/2" trim. And with a 2 1/2" nail and proper gun angle you should catch one of the wall plates if you are careful. If you feel unsure of this, simply find your studs, lay them out with pencil marks on the wall and then nail straight to them.
As your luck continues, take a look at this compressor, also on sale:
http://tinyurl.com/ndwdd
If the link doesn't work, go to Sears.com and then search tools for a 1 hp compressor with a 3 gallon tank. It is on for $99 and available in the store.
$200 bucks for a compressor and two trim guns. Sweet. You will thank yourself many times over for these purchases if you are going to do several rooms.
I use this compressor so I can throw it in the truck for installing doors and their trims, using my 18 brad gun and my 16 ga. nailer. I have put a lot of trim on the walls and hung a lot of door with this setup. You should be warned though, that this compressor will have limited use. It will not push even the smallest paint gun, or any other kind of pneumatic nailing tools. But for nailing up the trim, it works fine as you will shoot a few times, the compressor will cycle, you move the ladder, then shoot some more. And with this setup you could be dangerous with light cabinet or project building.
I love the size of the compressor since I can lock it in the cab when I go to lunch or am inside a house doing an estimate. And it pushes the trim guns fine. Make sure you buy good nails. Bostich, Porter Cable and Grip Rite are all brands I have had good luck with. Can't say about HF nails. Keep the guns oiled, and don't put any WD 40 on anything to do with the guns.
One last thing you must get is a decent hose. I think that machine comes with a 25 foot yellow plastic coil hose. Do yourself a favor and hang onto it until the warranty expires then let the dog chew on it. It is hard plastic crap. While you are at HF (or Northern, or whatever has the best price), get a reinforced PVC hose. Rubber is great and more flexible, but $$$. And while you are at HF, be sure and score some brass fittings for your new hose as they will be the cheapest in town for a little kit of 5 pieces. Don't forget to teflon tape the fittings when you put them on the hose, and don't get the fittings any more than snug.
Good luck! Let us know how you do!
Robert
RicodJour - 08 Jun 2006 14:03 GMT > > I was looking at that. is it something like this? > > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=46309 [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > fittings when you put them on the hose, and don't get the fittings any > more than snug. Robert, have you ever tried a cordless nailer? I have both the Paslode framer and finish guns and would never go back to pneumatic for smaller jobs. I use them on things where I just need even a few nails shot - it doesn't make sense to set up a compressor and have to listen to the noise while you're waiting for the pressure to build up.
There are other brands of cordless nailers, but I've never used them so I can't comment on their quality.
R
nailshooter41@aol.com - 08 Jun 2006 14:43 GMT > Robert, have you ever tried a cordless nailer? I have both the Paslode > framer and finish guns and would never go back to pneumatic for smaller [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > R That particular compressor keeps up well and I don't have to wait on it for trimming and I have actually used it for trimming whole houses.
I have demoed the Paslode cordless nailers, and I was impressed. One of my friends that does kitchen/room remodeling has a framer and some kind of 16ga or 15 ga trim guns and loves them. But he uses them almost every day.
Since I do a lot of repair work, I never know what I will be actually doing. I am now working on restoring a mahogany door, and have a fiberglass door to finish as well as 4 others that I will put industrial finishes on. Then I will go hang them. But I won't shoot a nails (just some brads) for about 10 days or so.
Then with he finished doors and the other stuff scheduled I will be loading guns and compressor for the next two weeks.
Years ago when the first "tailess" came out they had a lot of problems for different reasons. I understand now they are all cleared up which really makes that enticing. But on the other hand, in our heat (yesterday it was 100!) stuff in the tool box gets cooked. My friend that owns the Paslodes loves them and wouldn't go back to air powered for any reason, but he has not sold his pneumatic stuff either. He has told me more than once that he has problems with just getting a few shots out of the cartridges if he puts in a new one and leaves the gun in the tool box in the heat for a few days. He does not have this problem on the fall/winter/spring when it is much cooler, so we know it is heat related.
He >has< had problems (this may be a local thing) with our favorite local fastener vendor working on the guns. With the air guns, you slap in a new set of rings, and maybe a new trigger or driver. Most of us can do that on our own. But when something breaks on the gas guns it is a while in the shop and it is $$ to get it fixed unless it is something simple.
For me, I also use the compressor on the job for other things, like blowing out the entry way of a customer's house after a door or trim installation. I use it to blow off the door if I am going to finish it (although if I am using my HVLP conversion gun that little 1hp compressor has to stay at home) and other things. Plus, I have about 18 or so air nail guns now, and I don't want to start over in the new technology. I have been able to have a routine for myself and the guys as they know they can grab any gun, PLUS a compressor for any job I send them to or go out to myself. So if it is roofing or framing, they get the black or gray compressor. If I am spraying paint, get the black compressor. For trim/doors, then the gold or red 1 hp machines.
I can juse hear it now... "but I though YOU had the cartridges" or "I dont' understand, it was working good when we finished last night" or "I didn't know it was my responsibility to keep up with the cartridges". For me, I have come to value routine as much as speed, as they often work out to the same thing in this business.
But that's just me.
Robert
Jay Pique - 30 Jun 2006 22:48 GMT > > Robert, have you ever tried a cordless nailer? Since no one has mentioned it.... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002AJNSS/qid=1151703985/sr=1-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/1 02-6291336-5515363?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=hi&v=glance&n=228013
or the same link here... http://tinyurl.com/mrhu9
They work, I've tried them. JP
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