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Homeowner Forum / Construction / May 2006Question on framing floor opening in remodel
Hello, In a remodel situation, I'm framing a floor opening in which a new double trimmer joist will be only 7/8" away from an existing tail joist. This makes supporting the tail joist from the new header difficult. Would it be reasonable to use a 7/8" thick filler board and just face nail the tail joist to the trimmer joist? I was thinking 20d nails at 24" o.c. each edge. Or is there a better way to handle this situation? Thanks, Wayne I don't see a problem with it. What do you think it could hurt? > I don't see a problem with it. What do you think it could hurt? Seems fine to me, too, just looking for a second opinion due to my limited experience so far. Thanks, Wayne Might want to get a third then! :) yeah should work. if it has a double within 7/8" than it can be more of a nailer than holding anything up. you could maybe use a joist hanger if you want, though you wouldn't be able to nail the hanger into the side of the "tail joist" (haven't heard that terminology before). > you could maybe use a joist hanger if you want, though you wouldn't > be able to nail the hanger into the side of the "tail joist" [Discussing the clearance problem of a new trimmer joist 7/8" away from an existing tail joist.] Actually nailing the joist hanger into the side of the tail joist would be feasible, since I could do that before I install the new trimmer joist. The bigger problem is that I couldn't nail the joist hanger to the new header joist on the side near the trimmer, as that part of the header joist is occupied by the joist hanger attaching the header to the trimmer. Thanks, Wayne > In a remodel situation, I'm framing a floor opening in which a new > double trimmer joist will be only 7/8" away from an existing tail [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thinking 20d nails at 24" o.c. each edge. Or is there a better way to > handle this situation? Your solution using a piece of blocking might be okay or it might be a really bad idea. Can't tell from here. Post a link to a picture so we can be sure we're talking about the same thing. R > Your solution using a piece of blocking might be okay or it might be > a really bad idea. Can't tell from here. Post a link to a picture > so we can be sure we're talking about the same thing. Sorry if my description wasn't clear. Here's some ASCII art (use a fixed width font): C common joist (existing) T double trimmer joist (new) H double header joist (new) t tail joist (existing) C TT t t t TT C C TT t t t TT C C TT t t t TT C C TT t t t TT C C TT t t t TT C C TT t t t TT C C TTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTT C C TTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTT C C TT TT C C TT TT C C TT TT C The problem is that there is only 7/8" between the lefthand tail joist and the lefthand (double) trimmer joist. So I can't use a joist hanger to connect that tail joist to the header joist, it would overlap with the joist hanger connecting the header joist to the trimmer joist. So is there anything wrong with using some 7/8" thick boards (old salvaged 1x) to fill the gap between the tail joist and the trimmer joist, and then face nailing the tail joist to the trimmer joist? As another poster mentioned, that tail joist basically then becomes a nailer hanging off the trimmer joist. Thanks, Wayne > > Your solution using a piece of blocking might be okay or it might be > > a really bad idea. Can't tell from here. Post a link to a picture [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > another poster mentioned, that tail joist basically then becomes a > nailer hanging off the trimmer joist. I don't see any problem with that arrangement. I'd use construction adhesive and Timberlock screws instead of the 20d nails. http://www.amleo.com/index/item.cgi?cmd=view&Words=TL6 You can get them cheaper, so shop around. A big box store near you probably has them. They're commonly used in fastening landscape ties. R |
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