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alchemy@qis.net - 25 Jan 2006 23:03 GMT
re: Thomas Andrade, Encore Cabinetry, Inc. and Matteo Family Kitchens
-- suppliers of Kraftmaid Cabinetry

Be forewarned.

Tom seems like a great guy on the telephone. But he will not return
phone calls once he has your money. I placed an order with him for
$20,639 worth of Kraftmaid kitchen cabinets; this excludes handles or
pulls which are additional. Everything arrived in wonderful shape and
nothing was missing; however, I had ordered a 15" wall cabinet with
glass shelves and they sent me 12" glass shelves, which are useless.
Tom promised to send me the correct glass shelves but he never did.

I have been trying for five months to order some additional items that
are needed to complete my renovation, but he will not provide a quote
on those items. It comes to about $2500 in product. Apparently that's
not a hefty enough order for him to be bothered. I called and told him
I would be posting this "negative press" if he didn't call back. He
called back but then never followed up with a price quote and an order
form. I first contacted him in August asking for the privilege to buy
more product from him. He says to fax him the order items, which I did
at least eight or ten times, but he never replies. He sent me an email
in October telling me he would reply in a week or two, and I never
heard from him again, despite several phone calls (you must leave
messages because he never answers either his personal cell phone or the
office phone) and at least five or six duplicate faxes. His email
account has been shut down for the last month, so he apparently doesn't
pay his bills. On some days when I called his cell phone numbers they
weren't working either.

Why is it so difficult for a business owner to reply to someone who
wants nothing more than to order the rest of the products needed to
complete my project?

What he doesn't tell you directly when you order is that there are no
pre-drilled holes for the hinges or door knobs or pulls. He does
mention that the doors are packed separately, but he tells you this is
done to cut down on damage. The truth is that by not installing the
doors, Kraftmaid charges him less, and therein lies your savings: YOU
will have to do what Lowe's and other sellers would normally pay
Kraftmaid to do. We purchased 49 cabinets, so this was no small
endeavor.

Oh, and those 49 cabinets and 150 doors and drawers arrived with
absolutely no instructions. Then you find out that Tom doesn't answer
phone calls! We managed to install everything without too much trouble
until it came to the corner cabinets and lazy susans. My husband had to
go to Lowe's to look at their floor displays to figure out how to
install the two doors on all the corner cabinets: turns out you have to
cut a  1x4" slot in the wood frame in order to mount the hinge
brackets.

I should explain that I was a very organized shopper. I provided him a
complete illustration of the rooms, a list from Home Depot of every
item number and their quoted price, and my own to-scale drawings. He
did nothing but quote me his prices and accept my check. I saved about
30% dealing with him but I can't say if it's been worth it, knowing
what I've been through and how much wasted time and energy I've spent
trying to get this project finished. So it's been 7 months now,
everything's been installed, it looks great (we did it all ourselves),
but we still don't have the rest of the crown molding we need, or the
bathroom vanity, or the closets for the laundry room.

I should mention that I had been extremely polite and friendly during
all this run-around he's put me though. But today I finally threatened
him. I called and left a message telling him I would post this "bad
press" letter on the internet if he didn't reply. Obviously, you know
what happened.

Oh, and Tom also doesn't sell you the cabinets in his company's name,
Encore Cabinetry, Inc.. He sells through a place in New Jersey called
Matteo Family Kitchens. Matteo will give you a similar run-around if
you call them directly, after having exhausted yourself trying to get
through to Tom. They quoted me prices for the missing items I needed
that were higher than Lowe's, or about 30% higher than Tom's prices!
Then the guy there, Everett, when I mentioned that I'd compared his
prices with Lowe's, told me he didn't want to sell to me. I asked him
why he hadn't just told me that in the first place instead of adding to
the run-around I'd already experienced.

So I have just placed my order with Lowe's and paid about 20% more than
Tom and Encore's prices.

Be forewarned. I wouldn't deal with this company again if they offered
me 50% off the Lowe's price, and despite the other negative things I've
read about Lowes.
RicodJour - 25 Jan 2006 23:44 GMT
> re: Thomas Andrade, Encore Cabinetry, Inc. and Matteo Family Kitchens
> -- suppliers of Kraftmaid Cabinetry
>
> Be forewarned.

{rant snipped}

Indulge me while I read between the lines.

You're a newbie who wanted to save some money and didn't understand the
factors involved in installing cabinetry.

You acknowledge that other than a few glass shelves the $20K order was
perfect.

You enjoy beating a horse long after it is dead.  Why else would you
continue to attempt to buy from a distributor that was no longer
responsive to you?  He's moved on - you should, too.

This part is very telling: "I saved about 30% dealing with him but I
can't say if it's been worth it, knowing what I've been through and how
much wasted time and energy I've spent trying to get this project
finished."  You saved $10K and are unhappy.  Oh the aggravation - my
heart bleeds for you.

In future:
- if something comes without instructions, it's the manufacturer's
fault, not the distributor's - you should contact the manufacturer
directly and check their web site as the information is probably all
available for download.  Going through the distributor would probably
be slower than making the call yourself.
- don't expect a cut rate distributor to be top notch in service and
bend over backwards for you - it doesn't work that way.
- complaining about not having your laundry room done has nothing to do
with this distributor.  If you weren't so obsessed with the distributor
you could have saved some of that "wasted time and aggravation" and
some of the money savings and had everything in place through another
Kraftmaid distributor.  The guy is under no obligation to deal with you
- particularly if he sees you as a problem customer.
- If you have a real problem, unlike this one, bring it up with the
BBB, or take the guy to court.  Complaining on the internet is
pointless.
- writing things like this: "His email account has been shut down for
the last month, so he apparently doesn't pay his bills." is stupid.  It
makes you look stupid.  It also is an unsubstantiated allegation that
could be considered libel.

Use some of the $10K the guy saved you to take your mind off of how he
"mistreated" you.  I'd rather deal with the idjit that believes the WTC
was blown up by controlled demolition than this sort of stuff.  It
makes me nauseous.

R
Al Bundy - 26 Jan 2006 03:06 GMT
>> re: Thomas Andrade, Encore Cabinetry, Inc. and Matteo Family Kitchens
>> -- suppliers of Kraftmaid Cabinetry
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>
> R

> If you have a real problem, unlike this one, bring it up with the
BBB,

That was my second thought while reading.

First thought was call the credit card company. Then I see it was paid by
check. Ouch! Paid by check faceless place.

Anyway, this was a long rant. Is this whole thing about glass shelves for
ONE cabinet? ==> a 15" wall cabinet

       " I had ordered a 15" wall cabinet with glass shelves and they sent
me 12" glass shelves, "

I can't read that long a.s thing again but if this is the case, go to a
local glass place and buy some damn pieces.
RicodJour - 26 Jan 2006 03:16 GMT
> Anyway, this was a long rant. Is this whole thing about glass shelves for
> ONE cabinet? ==> a 15" wall cabinet
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I can't read that long a.s thing again but if this is the case, go to a
> local glass place and buy some damn pieces.

You picked up on that, did ya?  Unbelievable isn't it?  I think she was
mainly offended that she couldn't get more of his stuff at that great
discount.  Then she has to retaliate.  What a piece of work.

R
Al Bundy - 26 Jan 2006 04:54 GMT
>> Anyway, this was a long rant. Is this whole thing about glass shelves
>> for ONE cabinet? ==> a 15" wall cabinet
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> R

John Wayne said it all:

Life's tough.
It's tougher if you're stupid.
P. Fritz - 26 Jan 2006 04:04 GMT
 Damn it Rico.....you mention him, and he shows up

 > alchemy@qis.net wrote:
 >> re: Thomas Andrade, Encore Cabinetry, Inc. and Matteo Family Kitchens
 >> -- suppliers of Kraftmaid Cabinetry
 >>
 >> Be forewarned.
 >
 > {rant snipped}
 >
 > Indulge me while I read between the lines.
 >
 > You're a newbie who wanted to save some money and didn't understand the
 > factors involved in installing cabinetry.
 >
 > You acknowledge that other than a few glass shelves the $20K order was
 > perfect.
 >
 > You enjoy beating a horse long after it is dead.  Why else would you
 > continue to attempt to buy from a distributor that was no longer
 > responsive to you?  He's moved on - you should, too.
 >
 > This part is very telling: "I saved about 30% dealing with him but I
 > can't say if it's been worth it, knowing what I've been through and how
 > much wasted time and energy I've spent trying to get this project
 > finished."  You saved $10K and are unhappy.  Oh the aggravation - my
 > heart bleeds for you.
 >
 > In future:
 > - if something comes without instructions, it's the manufacturer's
 > fault, not the distributor's - you should contact the manufacturer
 > directly and check their web site as the information is probably all
 > available for download.  Going through the distributor would probably
 > be slower than making the call yourself.
 > - don't expect a cut rate distributor to be top notch in service and
 > bend over backwards for you - it doesn't work that way.
 > - complaining about not having your laundry room done has nothing to do
 > with this distributor.  If you weren't so obsessed with the distributor
 > you could have saved some of that "wasted time and aggravation" and
 > some of the money savings and had everything in place through another
 > Kraftmaid distributor.  The guy is under no obligation to deal with you
 > - particularly if he sees you as a problem customer.
 > - If you have a real problem, unlike this one, bring it up with the
 > BBB, or take the guy to court.  Complaining on the internet is
 > pointless.
 > - writing things like this: "His email account has been shut down for
 > the last month, so he apparently doesn't pay his bills." is stupid.  It
 > makes you look stupid.  It also is an unsubstantiated allegation that
 > could be considered libel.
 >
 > Use some of the $10K the guy saved you to take your mind off of how he
 > "mistreated" you.  I'd rather deal with the idjit that believes the WTC
 > was blown up by controlled demolition than this sort of stuff.  It
 > makes me nauseous.
 >
 > R
 >
Thomas Andrade - 26 Jan 2006 03:24 GMT
> re: Thomas Andrade, Encore Cabinetry, Inc. and Matteo Family Kitchens
> -- suppliers of Kraftmaid Cabinetry
>
> Be forewarned.

Her a.s smelled like fish

I wouldn't go back there for all the money in the world

She wouldn't quit trying to fix me food, cold "drinks"

she would come downstairs in her robe, (with nothing underneath)
fanning that fish smell around

Ill never go back there.
Al Bundy - 26 Jan 2006 03:31 GMT
>> re: Thomas Andrade, Encore Cabinetry, Inc. and Matteo Family Kitchens
>> -- suppliers of Kraftmaid Cabinetry
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Ill never go back there.

At least you are a humorous a.shole :-) My kinda people.
bambam@nospam.tnx - 26 Jan 2006 16:45 GMT
>Why is it so difficult for a business owner to reply to someone who
>wants nothing more than to order the rest of the products needed to
>complete my project?

Because  he realizes what kind of a person and how much a timewaster
you are, and that  he should never have done business with you in the
first place.    He doesn't want to compound his error and aggravation.

People like you are the reason most wholesalers and distributors will
not deal with the public.

You spend 20 grand on cabinets .. what ... every 20 years?  
Most of us spend at least that much every week.  And he doesn't want
us on "hold"  while he listens to you go on and on about nothing..

Everything Tom has done is standard professional practice.  
The only problem in your order is the glass shelves ... a simple fix.
Any glass shop can do it.
 
I wish I worked in your area,  Tom sounds like the kind of guy I'd
like to buy from.  

Ken
Thomas Andrade - 26 Jan 2006 22:29 GMT
> re: Thomas Andrade, Encore Cabinetry, Inc. and Matteo Family Kitchens
> -- suppliers of Kraftmaid Cabinetry
>
> Be forewarned.

ooo im scared!

III can't help it, this is too rich!

Welcome to freaknet Alchemy! where NOBODY GIVES A RIP!!!

I've had customers like you. (not a word Rico!) Only difference, I
woulda told my customer on the phone that I am not doing any more for
them, you don't appreciate me!!!! yep!!! I woulda told you point blank,
the ride is over, this is the END OF THE LINE!!!

We bend over backwards to get you a good deal, you turn around and pull
some petty asssssinign stunt like this (where nobody gives a rip) and
you want sympathy.

This was malicious. You look like an old bullfrog croaking in the mud.

You shot yourself in the foot, long before the project was finished.

Rico was right! You're acting like you paid top dollar!  but you
didn't.

IT'S NAUGHT IT'S NAUGHT CRIES THE BUYER

then when you go away, you brag to your freinds about how you

STUCK IT TO OL' THOMAS!!!!

I bet you would steal the pennies off a dead mans eyes! ol' belly
robbing thugh mentality!!!

scratch and claw get all you can weasel out of somebody.

When the fox goes in the hen house, the hen setting on the most eggs
cackles the loudest. AND LOOK ATCHEW!  up in here with a bunch-a-FREAKS
(except me an AB)

YOU CAME TO THE WROOONG PLACE...WE ARE BITTER HERE.

We can hardly stand ourselves let alone, A TRITE COMPLAINER!!!!

You come on here, you might here a word like..weed monkey trollip, or 2
bit hukster..

COME ON BACK AND GET SOME MORE!!!

and the best part about FREAKNET!!! It won't cost you one thin dime!!!

no really, NO CHARGE!
Ray White - 27 Jan 2006 20:23 GMT
You want to play GC, but you don't understand why there is no
instructions.........
[OK,....... I'll stop laughing]

>We managed to install everything without too much trouble until it came to
the
>"corner cabinets" and lazy susans..............

You installed the corner cabinets last.........and you want to know why you
had
a problem............[ I promise not to laugh again]

There's nothing more to say, your story has certainly presented a perfect
picture
of how you were to deal with............Have a nice day!!!!

Ray

> re: Thomas Andrade, Encore Cabinetry, Inc. and Matteo Family Kitchens
> -- suppliers of Kraftmaid Cabinetry
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> phone calls once he has your money. I placed an order with him for
> $20,639 worth of Kraftmaid kitchen cabinets; this excludes handles or
 
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