I am working on the design of a hospital pharmacy and they want to
suspend a pneumatic tube station from the structural concrete ceiling
above a checking station. Have worked on jobs in the past where we
used structural steel elements, most common being 2" by 2" squares to
construct a structure.
>From memory it was something like CoStruct or something like that.
Googled that and nada - anybody got any ideas. Hate to leave it to the
architect - if he does not like the idea - will say, "OH YOU CAN"T DO
THAT". Architects like to fill spaces full of walls - guess AutoCAD
has a really nifty wall drawing feature.
THanks
Bob Morrison - 28 Dec 2005 17:32 GMT
In a previous post butch burton wrote...
> I am working on the design of a hospital pharmacy and they want to
> suspend a pneumatic tube station from the structural concrete ceiling
> above a checking station. Have worked on jobs in the past where we
> used structural steel elements, most common being 2" by 2" squares to
> construct a structure
Sounds like you are looking for an HSS2x2x wall thickness.
Perhaps you could just call out a a 2x2 tube steel for your supports and
let the contractor figure it out. Or, you could spec a 1/4" wall
thickness which should be more than ample.
If the ceiling is prestressed or post-tensioned concrete (rather than cast
in place) then you might have bigger problems if you hit a P/S strand with
your anchor bolts.

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JTMcC - 28 Dec 2005 19:15 GMT
>I am working on the design of a hospital pharmacy and they want to
> suspend a pneumatic tube station from the structural concrete ceiling
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> THanks
Unistrut/allthread is pretty common for light weight headers/hangers.
There are proprietory bolt together systems for light duty structures.I see
them advertised in the trade journals but have rarely used such a thing.
If you talk to a contractor that installs the pneumatic conveyors they will
tell you what method would be commonly used in their area. Or ask the
manufacturer how their product is normally hung from a structure like yours.
Then all guesswork is eliminated, and you know that you have drawn something
that can be easily and effectively installed in the field.
JTMcC.
Bob Morrison - 28 Dec 2005 19:24 GMT
In a previous post JTMcC wrote...
> Unistrut/allthread is pretty common for light weight headers/hangers.
> There are proprietory bolt together systems for light duty structures
The suggestion for Uni-strut is a good one. Mechanical and electrical
contractors commonly use these to hang equipment.
My earlier warning on drilling into P/S or P/T slab still holds.

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butch burton - 28 Dec 2005 19:32 GMT
Thanks - it was Uni-Strut. I am no engineer but I think the ceiling
was one of those poured in place things with lots of rebars and metal
reinforcing. WIll let the engineers worry about that. Just want to
try and get this PTS suspended and not attached to the workstaiton - a
real PITA if it is attached because it then has to meet structural code
requirements and the cost goes way up. And here I get paid on
commission - but would rather they spend it on workstations than
structural enhancements.
Thanks again - this is what this group is all about.
bill allemann - 28 Dec 2005 22:16 GMT
If you are looking for generic steel tubing to make a weldment, etc
try
http://www.ryersontull.com/stocklist1/RedbookServlet?COM=GetTable&ID=1132
bill
>I am working on the design of a hospital pharmacy and they want to
> suspend a pneumatic tube station from the structural concrete ceiling
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>
> THanks