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Effer Vescent - 26 Sep 2005 17:10 GMT
I have a rain catchment system on my cabin with underground storage tanks.
What is a simple, inexpensive water level indicator I can use?  I am aware
of the expensive, electronic wireless options, but would rather not use
them.
Bob Morrison - 26 Sep 2005 17:30 GMT
In a previous post Effer Vescent wrote...
> I have a rain catchment system on my cabin with underground storage tanks.
> What is a simple, inexpensive water level indicator I can use?  I am aware
> of the expensive, electronic wireless options, but would rather not use
> them.

A big dipstick?

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HerHusband - 26 Sep 2005 18:19 GMT
>> I have a rain catchment system on my cabin with underground storage
>> tanks. What is a simple, inexpensive water level indicator I can use?
>> I am aware of the expensive, electronic wireless options, but would
>> rather not use them.

> A big dipstick?

A variation of this might be a pipe running from the top of the tank up
to the surface. Inside that would be another rod with a float on the
bottom. As the water level rises, the rod would raise up accordingly. If
you could find some clear tubing, you could mark the high and low marks
on the tubing. Otherwise, you could cut the outer pipe at the low mark,
and fasten a board or something behind it that you mark the high mark on.
Of course, you'd have to figure out a way to keep bugs and debris from
entering the measurement pipe.

Another option might be to modify an automotive fuel sender (never used
for fuel, of course). You could make the float arm longer so it can
adjust to larger rises and falls if needed. Then a simple 12 volt line
running to a standard fuel gauge and a 12 volt power supply. It may not
be super accurate, but probably close enough to get an idea where your
water level is.

Good luck,

Anthony
Effer Vescent - 26 Sep 2005 18:36 GMT
I think the rod within tube is the basis for some commercial indicators, and
bugs and debris would be a consideration since this is a potable water
system.  I hadn't thought of an automobile fuel gauge system, but it is an
interesting thought; thanks for your ideas

>>> I have a rain catchment system on my cabin with underground storage
>>> tanks. What is a simple, inexpensive water level indicator I can use?
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> Anthony
Duane Bozarth - 26 Sep 2005 22:20 GMT
> I think the rod within tube is the basis for some commercial indicators, and
> bugs and debris would be a consideration since this is a potable water
> system.  I hadn't thought of an automobile fuel gauge system, but it is an
> interesting thought; thanks for your ideas

You need actual level or only full/overflow indication?

The latter could you simple contact level switch.

If you can get to a point to where there is a visible area, the old
sight glass technique is pretty simple as someone else noted.

You could enclose the tube idea by using closed clear plexiglass w/ cap
to keep critters, etc., out.
HerHusband - 27 Sep 2005 15:20 GMT
> I think the rod within tube is the basis for some commercial
> indicators, and bugs and debris would be a consideration since this is
> a potable water system.  I hadn't thought of an automobile fuel gauge
> system, but it is an interesting thought; thanks for your ideas

I did a quick search on Google this morning for "water level gauge" and ran
across this site:

http://www.premierplastics.com/waterlevel.htm

Looked like an interesting solution, and not extremely expensive. You might
even be able to use the idea for a home brewed version.

Take care,

Anthony
RicodJour - 27 Sep 2005 16:09 GMT
> > I think the rod within tube is the basis for some commercial
> > indicators, and bugs and debris would be a consideration since this is
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>
> Anthony

Good link, Anthony.  Looks like just the ticket.

R
Effer Vescent - 27 Sep 2005 19:20 GMT
Wow!  I thought I had Googled the web clean, but never found this site.
Thanks you guys; this seems to be the  ticket!!

>> I think the rod within tube is the basis for some commercial
>> indicators, and bugs and debris would be a consideration since this is
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>
> Anthony
RicodJour - 26 Sep 2005 22:15 GMT
> I have a rain catchment system on my cabin with underground storage tanks.
> What is a simple, inexpensive water level indicator I can use?  I am aware
> of the expensive, electronic wireless options, but would rather not use
> them.

A water level running from inside the tank to the outside and run up
the side of it.  It's as low tech and as accurate as it gets.  Nothing
to go wrong.

R
PipeDown - 27 Sep 2005 01:51 GMT
>> I have a rain catchment system on my cabin with underground storage
>> tanks.
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> the side of it.  It's as low tech and as accurate as it gets.  Nothing
> to go wrong.

Except if the seal at the bottom of the indicator tube fails and water leaks
out.  You do need a hole at the bottom and this might not be easy to make.

A tube over the top edge and into a tall clear cylindar would make use of
the siphon effect to match the levels but if it ever went too low, the water
seal would break and the siphon tube would empty and the indicator would
stop working.

I might try a float on top of the water connected to a cord that runs up and
over a pully and then down to a counterweight (heavy enough to keep the cord
tight but not enough to lift the float off the surface of the water).  This
will result in an inverted indicator (full at the bottom) unless you use two
pulleys.

For slightly more $ but not a lot would be one of those laser measuring
tapes.  You may need to float a target on top of the water but once mounted,
you would get a precise measurement at the touch of a button.

All depends on how much room you have to build it and how accurate/reliable
you need it to be.
RicodJour - 27 Sep 2005 02:22 GMT
> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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> Except if the seal at the bottom of the indicator tube fails and water leaks
> out.  You do need a hole at the bottom and this might not be easy to make.

If the water level is made from a single piece of clear plastic tubing,
what's going to leak?

> A tube over the top edge and into a tall clear cylindar would make use of
> the siphon effect to match the levels but if it ever went too low, the water
> seal would break and the siphon tube would empty and the indicator would
> stop working.

If the OP has a basement and the underground tank is at roughly the
same elevation, the water level can be run into the basement where it
can be read.  Obviously if the tube is run outside and it's a freezing
climate, antifreeze should be used instead of water.

R
 
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