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Mark Smigel - 19 Aug 2005 00:05 GMT
Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to:

A - measure & cut sheathing openings before installing, or

B - install sheathing and cut it in place?  (I assume with
jigsaw or circular saw set to sheathing thickness)

MJ
Bob Morrison - 19 Aug 2005 01:10 GMT
In a previous post Mark Smigel wrote...
> Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to:
>
> A - measure & cut sheathing openings before installing, or
>
> B - install sheathing and cut it in place?  (I assume with
> jigsaw or circular saw set to sheathing thickness)

Yes  <grin>

Either one is acceptable.

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Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA

Nehmo - 19 Aug 2005 02:10 GMT
- Mark Smigel -
> Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to:
> A - measure & cut sheathing openings before installing, or
> B - install sheathing and cut it in place?  (I assume with
> jigsaw or circular saw set to sheathing thickness)

- Nehmo -
Another way, if circumstances permit, would be to temporarily place the
sheeting in position, and draw pencil lines where you need to cut.  Take
the sheeting down, and cut along the lines. But it it’s a simple cut and
things are square, just measure and cut. The idea is to not waste one
sheet.

||||||||||||||||     Nehmo Sergheyev     ||||||||||||||||
P. Fritz - 19 Aug 2005 14:56 GMT
> - Mark Smigel -
> > Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to:
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> things are square, just measure and cut. The idea is to not waste one
> sheet.

Someone told be a little trick they use occasionally.....rub lipstick on all
the j box edges, set the sheeting in place, then remove.....cut where the
lipstick is.

> --
> ||||||||||||||||     Nehmo Sergheyev     ||||||||||||||||
Lil' Dave - 19 Aug 2005 10:45 GMT
> Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to:
>
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>
> MJ

Let's just say that a framer I used to work for two decades ago called
method B as "Chinese".  Any cutting in a squatting, sitting, laying down, or
standing up at the house itself.  He was very animate about doing as much as
possible on the sawhorse instead of in place.  Any in place cutting he
regarded as implied lack of craftsmanship.  The only exception he commonly
allowed was lookouts for hanging the fascia.
Joe - 19 Aug 2005 14:04 GMT
He was very animate about doing as much as possible on the sawhorse instead
of in place
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He must have worked by the hour.
If you are sheathing a wall that has been framed, squared, and laying on the
deck and you are taking the time to put a piece of plywood in place, mark
it, carry it to the saw horses, cut it and then carry it all the way back to
the wall, you are doing it the slowest way possible.

OR, if you are taking measurements of what needs to be cut and then going to
the saw horses to cut it, then carrying it to the wall, you are doing it the
second slowest way possible.
Many window and door cut-outs can be made without ever marking the
sheathing.

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Joe

"Let's just say that a framer I used to work for two decades ago called
method B as "Chinese".  Any cutting in a squatting, sitting, laying down, or
standing up at the house itself. .  Any in place cutting he
regarded as implied lack of craftsmanship.  The only exception he commonly
allowed was lookouts for hanging the fascia.

M&S - 19 Aug 2005 15:16 GMT
>>Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to:
>>
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> regarded as implied lack of craftsmanship.  The only exception he commonly
> allowed was lookouts for hanging the fascia.

I agree with Joe. All you have to do is try each in practice to see
which is best and faster. Cutting sheathing on the wall, either standing
or on the deck, is by far the fastest and most accurate way especially
with existing work. As long as you arent a savage with a sawzall, a long
rough-in blade is all you need to cut clean openings in place for
windows and doors.

It would be interesting to see this guy inside trying to keep up with
board hangers using routers as compared to him measuring and cutting for
every switch/receptacle, light, window/door opening, transfering them to
the sheet, jab saw, carry to the wall only to find out you were off by
1/4" and now have an ugly sloppy hole that a plate/trim wont cover. Not
to mention the time involved. Same principal, its one of those cases
where this so called "Chinese" way is the smarter way unless, as Joe
said, youre hourly and dont have to worry about the bill.

Mark
Lil' Dave - 20 Aug 2005 04:09 GMT
> >>Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to:
> >>
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>
> Mark

It was his framing company, custom homes only.  We dealt in 1/32" for
sheathing trim, 1/16" for framing.  Tape measures wore out quickly as a
1/64" variance would show up.  This threw off the measurement call-outs.
No, I'm not kidding.

Understand the economics of cutting in place. Not saying one is better than
the other.   Just miss the finer art that it was.
Steven - 25 Aug 2005 02:45 GMT
Hmm... Can't see that happening today.  The framing lumber we get doesn't
even come close to 1/16" tolerances. Most studs vary at least 1/8 out of
plumb straight off the stack.  Not to fault the guy though, I'd much rather
have someone who cared that much about his work than the crap work that I am
seeing more and more of.

>> >>Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to:
>> >>
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> than
> the other.   Just miss the finer art that it was.
The Carters - 19 Aug 2005 13:35 GMT
I built a addition to my garage and worked by myself.  Kids helped when it
came time to raise the walls into place.  I found it better to nail the full
4x8 to the studs while the wall was horizontal on the floor.  Gave me the
perception of more stability when raising and plumbing.  Once a starter hole
was drilled, I cut the door and window openings with a router and a 1/2"
bottom bearing flush cut bit.

Yes, I did have waste, but can use (most of) those pieces for odd patches
when is sheath the roof.

Greg

> Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to:
>
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>
> MJ
HerHusband - 19 Aug 2005 18:37 GMT
> Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to:
> A - measure & cut sheathing openings before installing, or
> B - install sheathing and cut it in place?  (I assume with
> jigsaw or circular saw set to sheathing thickness)

I sheathed our walls while they were still laying on the floor. This made
them a bit heavier, but it was easier to square-up and nail everything.

When it came to the door and window openings, I tried leaving the sheathing
in place and cutting out the window after the wall was up. Using a circular
saw, it meant setting up a ladder in the dirt outside the building and
climbing up to cut the window opening. Sawdust blowing back at me, and the
cutouts dropping onto the ladder. I didn't care for that method. Slow,
potentially dangerous, and messy.

For the rest of the house I cut out the openings while the wall was still
sitting on the ground. A couple of quick measurements, snap a chalkline or
two, and a quick pass with a circular saw. It worked great.

The only exception was a "window" wall we have in our living room. With all
the headers and posts and whatnot, it was quite heavy even without the
sheathing. So we tilted that up and sheathed it after it was up. I then
used a reciprocating saw with a 12" blade to cut out the window openings
(from inside the building). It worked well too, especially with our large
round top window.

I didn't try it, but I've heard you can also use a pattern cutting straight
bit (bearing at the bottom), to follow around the window framing and cut
out the sheathing. But, I didn't have a router handy when we were framing
the walls.

Anthony
Rich-out-West - 25 Aug 2005 18:15 GMT
> Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to:
>
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>
> MJ

   Most of the guys in my area use a router.  They sheathe the wall
fully, stand it up, then plunge into the opening with a piloted
flush-cut bit (after drilling a starter hole).  Run the bit around the
perimeter and voila - a perfect rough opening.  This is what we did on
my house and it worked out great.

Richard Johnson PE
Camano Island, WA
Joe - 26 Aug 2005 14:00 GMT
That's still too slow and you end up with a bunch of pieces of plywood
laying all over the place.
While the wall is laying on the floor, you start sheathing it and cut the
pieces with a SkilSaw, as you go.
You then use those pieces to cover the area over a door or under a window,
ect.
Anyone who doesn't do it this way is a rookie, or is working for someone by
the hour and doesn't care about the cost of labor.
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JerryD(upstateNY)

   Most of the guys in my area use a router.  They sheathe the wall
fully, stand it up, then plunge into the opening with a piloted
flush-cut bit (after drilling a starter hole).  Run the bit around the
perimeter and voila - a perfect rough opening.  This is what we did on
my house and it worked out great.

Richard Johnson PE
Camano Island, WA

 
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