Sheathing cutouts
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Mark Smigel - 19 Aug 2005 00:05 GMT Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to:
A - measure & cut sheathing openings before installing, or
B - install sheathing and cut it in place? (I assume with jigsaw or circular saw set to sheathing thickness)
MJ
Bob Morrison - 19 Aug 2005 01:10 GMT In a previous post Mark Smigel wrote...
> Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to: > > A - measure & cut sheathing openings before installing, or > > B - install sheathing and cut it in place? (I assume with > jigsaw or circular saw set to sheathing thickness) Yes <grin>
Either one is acceptable.
 Signature Bob Morrison, PE, SE R L Morrison Engineering Co Structural & Civil Engineering Poulsbo WA
Nehmo - 19 Aug 2005 02:10 GMT - Mark Smigel -
> Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to: > A - measure & cut sheathing openings before installing, or > B - install sheathing and cut it in place? (I assume with > jigsaw or circular saw set to sheathing thickness) - Nehmo - Another way, if circumstances permit, would be to temporarily place the sheeting in position, and draw pencil lines where you need to cut. Take the sheeting down, and cut along the lines. But it it’s a simple cut and things are square, just measure and cut. The idea is to not waste one sheet.
|||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev |||||||||||||||| P. Fritz - 19 Aug 2005 14:56 GMT > - Mark Smigel - > > Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > things are square, just measure and cut. The idea is to not waste one > sheet. Someone told be a little trick they use occasionally.....rub lipstick on all the j box edges, set the sheeting in place, then remove.....cut where the lipstick is.
> -- > |||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev |||||||||||||||| Lil' Dave - 19 Aug 2005 10:45 GMT > Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > MJ Let's just say that a framer I used to work for two decades ago called method B as "Chinese". Any cutting in a squatting, sitting, laying down, or standing up at the house itself. He was very animate about doing as much as possible on the sawhorse instead of in place. Any in place cutting he regarded as implied lack of craftsmanship. The only exception he commonly allowed was lookouts for hanging the fascia.
Joe - 19 Aug 2005 14:04 GMT He was very animate about doing as much as possible on the sawhorse instead of in place ****************************************************************** He must have worked by the hour. If you are sheathing a wall that has been framed, squared, and laying on the deck and you are taking the time to put a piece of plywood in place, mark it, carry it to the saw horses, cut it and then carry it all the way back to the wall, you are doing it the slowest way possible.
OR, if you are taking measurements of what needs to be cut and then going to the saw horses to cut it, then carrying it to the wall, you are doing it the second slowest way possible. Many window and door cut-outs can be made without ever marking the sheathing.
 Signature Joe
"Let's just say that a framer I used to work for two decades ago called method B as "Chinese". Any cutting in a squatting, sitting, laying down, or standing up at the house itself. . Any in place cutting he regarded as implied lack of craftsmanship. The only exception he commonly allowed was lookouts for hanging the fascia.
M&S - 19 Aug 2005 15:16 GMT >>Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > regarded as implied lack of craftsmanship. The only exception he commonly > allowed was lookouts for hanging the fascia. I agree with Joe. All you have to do is try each in practice to see which is best and faster. Cutting sheathing on the wall, either standing or on the deck, is by far the fastest and most accurate way especially with existing work. As long as you arent a savage with a sawzall, a long rough-in blade is all you need to cut clean openings in place for windows and doors.
It would be interesting to see this guy inside trying to keep up with board hangers using routers as compared to him measuring and cutting for every switch/receptacle, light, window/door opening, transfering them to the sheet, jab saw, carry to the wall only to find out you were off by 1/4" and now have an ugly sloppy hole that a plate/trim wont cover. Not to mention the time involved. Same principal, its one of those cases where this so called "Chinese" way is the smarter way unless, as Joe said, youre hourly and dont have to worry about the bill.
Mark
Lil' Dave - 20 Aug 2005 04:09 GMT > >>Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to: > >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Mark It was his framing company, custom homes only. We dealt in 1/32" for sheathing trim, 1/16" for framing. Tape measures wore out quickly as a 1/64" variance would show up. This threw off the measurement call-outs. No, I'm not kidding.
Understand the economics of cutting in place. Not saying one is better than the other. Just miss the finer art that it was.
Steven - 25 Aug 2005 02:45 GMT Hmm... Can't see that happening today. The framing lumber we get doesn't even come close to 1/16" tolerances. Most studs vary at least 1/8 out of plumb straight off the stack. Not to fault the guy though, I'd much rather have someone who cared that much about his work than the crap work that I am seeing more and more of.
>> >>Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to: >> >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > than > the other. Just miss the finer art that it was. The Carters - 19 Aug 2005 13:35 GMT I built a addition to my garage and worked by myself. Kids helped when it came time to raise the walls into place. I found it better to nail the full 4x8 to the studs while the wall was horizontal on the floor. Gave me the perception of more stability when raising and plumbing. Once a starter hole was drilled, I cut the door and window openings with a router and a 1/2" bottom bearing flush cut bit.
Yes, I did have waste, but can use (most of) those pieces for odd patches when is sheath the roof.
Greg
> Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > MJ HerHusband - 19 Aug 2005 18:37 GMT > Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to: > A - measure & cut sheathing openings before installing, or > B - install sheathing and cut it in place? (I assume with > jigsaw or circular saw set to sheathing thickness) I sheathed our walls while they were still laying on the floor. This made them a bit heavier, but it was easier to square-up and nail everything.
When it came to the door and window openings, I tried leaving the sheathing in place and cutting out the window after the wall was up. Using a circular saw, it meant setting up a ladder in the dirt outside the building and climbing up to cut the window opening. Sawdust blowing back at me, and the cutouts dropping onto the ladder. I didn't care for that method. Slow, potentially dangerous, and messy.
For the rest of the house I cut out the openings while the wall was still sitting on the ground. A couple of quick measurements, snap a chalkline or two, and a quick pass with a circular saw. It worked great.
The only exception was a "window" wall we have in our living room. With all the headers and posts and whatnot, it was quite heavy even without the sheathing. So we tilted that up and sheathed it after it was up. I then used a reciprocating saw with a 12" blade to cut out the window openings (from inside the building). It worked well too, especially with our large round top window.
I didn't try it, but I've heard you can also use a pattern cutting straight bit (bearing at the bottom), to follow around the window framing and cut out the sheathing. But, I didn't have a router handy when we were framing the walls.
Anthony
Rich-out-West - 25 Aug 2005 18:15 GMT > Concerning openings for doors and windows, is it better to: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > MJ Most of the guys in my area use a router. They sheathe the wall fully, stand it up, then plunge into the opening with a piloted flush-cut bit (after drilling a starter hole). Run the bit around the perimeter and voila - a perfect rough opening. This is what we did on my house and it worked out great.
Richard Johnson PE Camano Island, WA
Joe - 26 Aug 2005 14:00 GMT That's still too slow and you end up with a bunch of pieces of plywood laying all over the place. While the wall is laying on the floor, you start sheathing it and cut the pieces with a SkilSaw, as you go. You then use those pieces to cover the area over a door or under a window, ect. Anyone who doesn't do it this way is a rookie, or is working for someone by the hour and doesn't care about the cost of labor.
 Signature JerryD(upstateNY)
Most of the guys in my area use a router. They sheathe the wall fully, stand it up, then plunge into the opening with a piloted flush-cut bit (after drilling a starter hole). Run the bit around the perimeter and voila - a perfect rough opening. This is what we did on my house and it worked out great.
Richard Johnson PE Camano Island, WA
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