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How fast can one start on framing?

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dariusf - 25 Jul 2005 16:26 GMT
I was wondering if anyone could answer my question. We have a new house
being constructed by one of the local large developers in Chicago area.
We have been told that they need to wait for 4-5 weeks for the
foundation to settle in before starting on the framing. Is this right
or are they just buying time so they can work on other projects? Its a
two story house with a full basement. We have friends building at the
same time but on their own and their general contractor started the
framing only after a week from the time of pouring the foundation.

Thanks a lot
Darius
3D Peruna - 25 Jul 2005 17:14 GMT
> I was wondering if anyone could answer my question. We have a new house
> being constructed by one of the local large developers in Chicago area.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> same time but on their own and their general contractor started the
> framing only after a week from the time of pouring the foundation.

They're stalling...  No reason to wait that long for concrete to cure...
 I could see waiting some time before backfilling a basement (at least
a week)...but my spec.'s require the floor framing be placed prior to
backfill, just to keep the walls from having problems.
Bob Morrison - 25 Jul 2005 17:52 GMT
In a previous post 3D Peruna says...
> They're stalling...  No reason to wait that long for concrete to cure...
>   I could see waiting some time before backfilling a basement (at least
> a week)...but my spec.'s require the floor framing be placed prior to
> backfill, just to keep the walls from having problems.

I concur.  The builder is stalling for time.  In most cases, waiting 3-4
days to start framing is sufficient.  Backfill should wait until the
floor is on.

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Jonathan - 25 Jul 2005 18:00 GMT
They are giving you a line of BS. In general terms, most builders are
framing within a week of the pour. Figure a day or two to strip the
forms, a day or so to snap the ties and damp proof/seal. A day or two to
level washed stone and pour the floor.  Once that's done you can
backfill and start framing. Some guys like to frame the first floor to
brace the walls, but it's a lot harder to do with a canyon/moat around
the exterior.

Five weeks?  Did they offer you some vaseline before they asked you to
bend over?

Jonathan

> I was wondering if anyone could answer my question. We have a new house
> being constructed by one of the local large developers in Chicago area.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thanks a lot
> Darius

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Steven - 26 Jul 2005 04:56 GMT
Yes, It does sound like a line, BUT............ I assume you have a
completion date on the contract.  It is possible that they have factored in
their other projects when estimating your time of completion, and the delay
was anticipated.  It may have been easier to give an "off the cuff" answer
rather than explain their scheduling procedure.  The most common advice that
I give is to let the contractor do his job, and don't second guess him
unless he really gives you a reason.  If you don't trust them at this stage
of the game, then trouble is 'round the bend.
Before getting upset, consider the fact that it is not uncommon for projects
to go for a short period of time with no activity. Schedules change, it
rains, materials are delayed, and the list goes on.  The worst thing you can
do is start calling the contractor every time something happens (or doesn't
happen) at the jobsite.
just my .02
S.

>I was wondering if anyone could answer my question. We have a new house
> being constructed by one of the local large developers in Chicago area.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thanks a lot
> Darius
JR-jred - 26 Jul 2005 11:44 GMT
> Yes, It does sound like a line, BUT............ I assume you have a
> completion date on the contract.  It is possible that they have factored in
> their other projects when estimating your time of completion, and the delay
> was anticipated.  It may have been easier to give an "off the cuff" answer
> rather than explain their scheduling procedure.  

"Off the cuff" answers and bullshit are what get contractors in trouble
in the first place.

The most common advice that
> I give is to let the contractor do his job, and don't second guess him
> unless he really gives you a reason.

The contractor gave them a great reason:  he flat-a.s lied to them!!!

One lie leads to two, leads to a whole pack of them.  Fool me once,
shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.

If the contractor had said he'd be delayed a week, fine.  But 4-5 weeks?  
That's a long time for inactivity.  Who's picking up the interest on the
construction loan for that period?  How about other expenses incurred?

If you don't trust them at this stage
> of the game, then trouble is 'round the bend.

Yes, it is.  And it's the contractor's doings.
> Before getting upset, consider the fact that it is not uncommon for projects
> to go for a short period of time with no activity.

4-5 weeks of inactivity in a house construction project is not a short
period of time by any means

Schedules change, it
> rains, materials are delayed, and the list goes on.  The worst thing you can
> do is start calling the contractor every time something happens (or doesn't
> happen) at the jobsite.

I agree in general, but this specific situation is totally unacceptable.  
I can't imagine that there is any kind of a clause in the contract which
allows a 4-5 week delay for the contractor's scheduling fuckups.

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HerHusband - 26 Jul 2005 15:54 GMT
Darius,

> We have been told that they need to wait 4-5 weeks for the
> foundation to settle in before starting on the framing.

Building codes usually say the concrete is supposed to cure 7 full days
before the forms are stripped. This allows the concrete to achieve adequate
strength to start building on.  Once the forms are off, you can start
building right away. It will continue to gain strength over time, reaching
the majority of it's strength in 28 days or so.

Having said that, most of the houses I see being built around here pour the
foundation one day, strip the forms the next, and start framing a day or
two after that. It seems like a code violation to me, but I see it all the
time.

When we built our house, we waited the full 7 days before we pulled the
forms. We then spent a few days cleaning up around the foundation vents,
smoothing out ridges and bumps, and installing the drainage system around
the footings. Then we framed the floor and backfilled around the house.

Anthony
dariusf - 26 Jul 2005 17:22 GMT
Thank you so much for all the informative replies! Its great to see so
many people willing to help out. As I suspected they are taking their
time. Its a very large developer, ~600 houses a year in multiple
subdivisions and they are building them in waves a few at the same
time. The whole project is delayed as it is do to permit issues which
was a total BS on the builders part. One would think and hope they
would know how to prepare and file permits properly and there were
multiple issues, most small but just going back and forth with the
county. I checked the status there every other day. There is a
completion date which already almost passed, but its open do to
unforeseen delays which these are more like intentional on the builders
part. As I'm locked to this I don't want to steer much water with the
builder, he is building our future house after all. I have heard many
good things from people that have build threw them but many told us the
main problem was delays. I can understand scheduling or nature related
delays but don't throw BS in my face. They should have been straight
about it.

We are not in a major rush as we have a comfortable existing house but
it would be nice to move in as soon as possible. One side benefit is
that we only had to pay 10% down, 10% when the roof is on and the final
80% at the closing and with the insane bobble market in the area we are
actually 'making' profit (as speculative as it is) on the existing
property while we are locked to the last years price for the
construction. Thats after subtracting all the interest paid on the
existing mortgage and the equity loan we took for the 10% down. They
did tell us 6 months from the breaking of the ground to closing, which
might be a long time but again they are going by their schedule. I
guess they will stretch as much as they can instead of trying to finish
sooner. All in all its a very nice house, in excellent area and going
by the private sale prices in that subdivisions and area around its a
great price.

Bottom line is they should have been straight about it but instead they
lied.

Again, thanks allot for all the replies, I really appreciate all the
great help.
Regards
Darius
James Denham - 27 Jul 2005 18:17 GMT
7-10 days

>I was wondering if anyone could answer my question. We have a new house
> being constructed by one of the local large developers in Chicago area.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thanks a lot
> Darius
 
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