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Homeowner Forum / Construction / April 2005Polebarn/Shop
Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience putting up a polebarn/shop. I would like to do the work myself to keep the cost down. I was thinking of doing a steel building but wood isn't out of the question. I was thinking of a building around 40 x 80 at least 12 foot high walls. What kinds of things do I need to keep in mind before/during the building process? What are the pros/cons of a wood or steel building? Do you have any recommendations as to suppliers? Any general advice you'd like to give? Thanks, Relz In a previous post Relz says... > I was wondering if anyone has had any experience putting up a polebarn/shop. > I would like to do the work myself to keep the cost down. I was thinking of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Any general advice you'd like to give? In my experience the least expensive building on a per sq.ft basis is a wood pole building with dirt floor. If you need a concrete floor, then pole buildings are still a relative bargain. Pre-engineered steel buildings generally provide a higher quality building, but at a higher cost, especially with the price of steel going up as it has been. These are still very economical buildings for large open spaces. The wood pole building will be easier for the do-it-yourselfer to build because there are no high strength bolts with special torques testing required. The steel building will most likely require a larger crane in order to lift the frames. In the final analysis, it depends somewhat on the intended use. For example, the local building code may require non-combustible construction for a shop space. This means you are into a metal building. Or, if the choice is between a sprinklered wood building and a non-sprinklered metal building, the latter will most likely be less expensive. Finally, you will want to get a local engineer to design the pole building or the foundations for a metal building. And, please get a building permit BEFORE you do the work. In the long run you will be glad you did. Does that help?  SignatureBob Morrison, PE, SE R L Morrison Engineering Co Structural & Civil Engineering Poulsbo WA > In a previous post Relz says... > > I was wondering if anyone has had any experience putting up a polebarn/shop. > > I would like to do the work myself to keep the cost down. I was thinking of > > doing a steel building but wood isn't out of the question. I was thinking > > of a building around 40 x 80 at least 12 foot high walls. > Pre-engineered steel buildings generally provide a higher quality > building, but at a higher cost, especially with the price of steel going [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > required. The steel building will most likely require a larger crane in > order to lift the frames. Just a note here; around 97% of the metal buildings have not required skidmore tests for bolt tensioning anymore. Why, I don't know, but that's been the reality. A huge portion of the newer structures are utilizing 5/8" hard bolts (A325) that can reach tension (19 kips) with a crescent spud vs. 3/4"(28 kips) or 7/8" (39 kips) hard bolts. Most of the buildings minimize the use of 3/4~7/8 bolts to the haunch connections only, and these can be brought to tension with a cheater pipe on a wrench or the use of a knocker wrench. Some buildings still utilize compression washers (tension washers or DTIs') to set bolt tension but this again is "very few". (like 1 in a hundred) We've also virtually eliminated the use of a crane or boom truck for erection for anything under a 20' peak roof. We now use extendable fork lifts (all terrain 4 wheel drive/steering rated at 6~8000#) to erect the steel aided by the use of scissor lifts for hand held steel. The use of the extendable forklift is usually limited to 40' freespan due to the inherent flimsyness of the roof trusses. Depending on the freespan, we've also used 2 forklifts to connect up to 100' of freespan, although that can get a little 'hairy'. Dan > Bob Morrison, PE, SE > R L Morrison Engineering Co > Structural & Civil Engineering > Poulsbo WA > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Any general advice you'd like to give? In addition to or complementary to Bob's response, depending on where you are and the type of building you're looking for, you may find one or several builders who specialize in these buildings who will erect one on site for not much more than what you can buy the materials for as an individual. This is particularly true in areas w/ significant ag use. In a previous post Duane Bozarth says... > In addition to or complementary to Bob's response, depending on where > you are and the type of building you're looking for, you may find one or > several builders who specialize in these buildings who will erect one on > site for not much more than what you can buy the materials for as an > individual. This is particularly true in areas w/ significant ag use. Good suggestion! SignatureBob Morrison, PE, SE R L Morrison Engineering Co Structural & Civil Engineering Poulsbo WA > Hi All, > > I was wondering if anyone has had any experience putting up a polebarn/shop. > I would like to do the work myself to keep the cost down. I was thinking of > doing a steel building but wood isn't out of the question. I was thinking > of a building around 40 x 80 at least 12 foot high walls. I built one at 50X100X16 in metal > What kinds of things do I need to keep in mind before/during the building > process? The cost of the building "kit" is only about 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of a finished building depending on what your going to use it for. > What are the pros/cons of a wood or steel building? Steel faster to build, better building, fire/rot/insect proof. Wood cheaper?? > Do you have any recommendations as to suppliers? I got my "Kit" from www.steelbuilding.com I had never erected a red iron steel building before, and their technical department was very help full in answering my many questions. I for the most part erected the building by my self and I don't recommend that unless your a glutton for punisnement:-) I did get some help with setting the main frames and the roof panels were just too long to put on by my self . If I had a crane/lift that could have lifted the main frames, I could have installed them by myself. > Any general advice you'd like to give? Get the all steel building and get help to put it up if your going to build it your self! Think about how your going to use the building and plan out things as well as possible before you buy it. Also the interior finish may be a big deal so be sure to thing about that also.... > Thanks, > > Relz |
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