Leak in Foundation wall
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Tecumseh - 25 Mar 2005 23:28 GMT Hey all, There is a 8" deep circular channel the circumference of a dime that goes into my poured foundation wall.(from where the forms were used.) It's cement covering has come off and when heavy rain occurs I have a leak coming in. I bought the powder concrete mix and tried to fill the channel completely but could not and I simply covered the opening up. Is this enough or is the channel supposed to be filled completely? Thanks a lot Tec.
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Lyle B. Harwood - 26 Mar 2005 02:07 GMT > Hey all, > There is a 8" deep circular channel the circumference of a dime that goes [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > but could not and I simply covered the opening up. Is this enough or is the > channel supposed to be filled completely? I don't understand your description, there shouldn't be a "channel" going through your wall, it should be solid cement. The only thing I can think of about the size of a dime is a snap tie, and in that case, the snap tie should still be in the wall.
Is the hole the shape of a cone?
In any case, it should be sealed on the outside of the wall. Once water gets into a concrete wall, damage is already being done, whether or not it penetrates to the space inside the wall.
It can be parged and dampproofed from the outside, but any fix from the inside is temporary at best. I've written about it on my web page. It's available here: http://phoenixhomesinc.com/basement.htm
Another suggestion I would make is to take a picture of it, post it to a web site, and give us the URL. That way, we can all look at it, and we may be able to give you an answer that way.
Best of luck, and let us know how it comes out!
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Tecumseh - 26 Mar 2005 02:46 GMT  Signature <lyle@invalid.phoenixhomesinc.com> wrote in message news:250320051707116866%lyle@invalid.phoenixhomesinc.com...
> In article <Ns6dneaOlcEFEtnfRVn-sg@rogers.com>, Tecumseh
> ? channel supposed to be filled completely? "
> going through your wall, it should be solid cement. The only thing I > can think of about the size of a dime is a snap tie, and in that case, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Best of luck, and let us know how it comes out! It is a cylinder 8" long and dime circumference going into the wall from the inside. It is where the forms were used. Thanks for your concerns and response BTW. Take Care
Daniel - 26 Mar 2005 05:55 GMT > > In article <Ns6dneaOlcEFEtnfRVn-sg@rogers.com>, Tecumseh > > > ? channel supposed to be filled completely? (Snipped)> >
> > Best of luck, and let us know how it comes out! > > It is a cylinder 8" long and dime circumference going into the wall from the > inside. It is where the forms were used. > Thanks for your concerns and response BTW. > Take Care If you mean that this "hole" was used to insert bolts tightening the shutter, the forms, while the concrete wall was cast, poured-in, then it should have been closed for good. It's a contractor small mistake.
Fill it up completely otherwise your small "plug" may pop-off anytime. It would also be good to cover that location, from outside, with a flexible waterproof material, asphalt coatings or the like, as your cement-based "plugging" will probably crack or de-bond a bit at circumference, allowing water to enter. Cheers Daniel
Tecumseh - 26 Mar 2005 06:46 GMT Thanks Daniel, I will do as you suggested. Cheers yourself Thanks Tec
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> > > > In article <Ns6dneaOlcEFEtnfRVn-sg@rogers.com>, Tecumseh [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Cheers > Daniel Lyle B. Harwood - 26 Mar 2005 07:07 GMT > It is a cylinder 8" long and dime circumference going into the wall from the > inside. It is where the forms were used. > Thanks for your concerns and response BTW. It's where the forms were used?
What does that mean?
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Daniel - 26 Mar 2005 10:46 GMT > ? It is a cylinder 8" long and dime circumference going into the wall from the
> ? inside. It is where the forms were used. > ? Thanks for your concerns and response BTW. > > It's where the forms were used? > > What does that mean? That wall must have been done with metallic formwork. See a photo and the bottom sketch at http://www.deko.fr/ti/ti.php3?page=ti11 (In French, sorry, but the photos are self-explanatory) When they removed the formwork and the "bolts", they left the hole opened or poorly plugged.
I got his point (I hope) because I share a handicap with Tec: Poor technical english language Him, because he is not from the trade. Me, because I am French :-)
If you have 5 mn, post here the proper words to name those formworks and "bolts", thanks Cheers Daniel
Tecumseh - 26 Mar 2005 15:52 GMT Tres Bien. Je'mapel un grande idiott. Thx Daniel.
> > ? It is a cylinder 8" long and dime circumference going into the wall from > the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Cheers > Daniel Daniel - 26 Mar 2005 18:10 GMT > Tres Bien. > Je'mapel un grande idiott. > Thx Daniel. No, no, you would be "un grand idiot" if you would be supposed to be a construction professional... What you are is called in French "un debutant" Now, translate :-) Cheers Daniel
> > > ? It is a cylinder 8" long and dime circumference going into the wall > from [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Cheers > > Daniel Tecumseh - 27 Mar 2005 01:14 GMT OK, You have got me Daniel..... Where are you from out of curiosity?
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> > Tres Bien. > > Je'mapel un grande idiott. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > > Cheers > > > Daniel Daniel - 27 Mar 2005 08:01 GMT > OK, > You have got me Daniel..... > Where are you from out of curiosity? I am French. I may say "I was French"... I left France 24 years ago, worked as an expat employee in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Dubai) and South East Asia (Singapore, Philippines, Malaysia) and eventually set-up my own small business in Thailand. All that within the building industry. Why Thailand? If you could see a photo of "her", you would understand :-)
I post here and a bit at alt.architecture simply to stay in touch with what is going on in the West in my trade. Cheers Daniel
Tecumseh - 28 Mar 2005 22:01 GMT Very cool....come on let's see a PIK ;-) Later
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> > OK, > > You have got me Daniel..... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Cheers > Daniel Fred Flintstone - 31 Mar 2005 09:29 GMT Hello If the 'channel' was allowing water through the foundation then it must be contiupus through the foundation or else the concrete has excessive porosity to allow this to happen. When mix patterns are designed they are at their optimum when created as close to laboratory condition as is possible. This is to say that it is created as one at the same time. When concrete has hardened or cured the hydration process has completed, the expansion and contraction processes have finished and only minor chemical reactions continue but were you to introduce a new 'pellet' of cement with exactly the same cement in the concrete in as the original; mix then as it cures the cement will expand and may split the original member that you are attempting to repair. The Japanese use this method to rip buildings apart in area where explosives cannot be used. Look inside the building while another pours water on to the repair an confirm if it is leaking. If it is then you have every right on Gods Earth to panic else marry a very wealty woman.
> Hey all, > There is a 8" deep circular channel the circumference of a dime that goes [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks a lot > Tec.
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