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Tecumseh - 25 Mar 2005 23:28 GMT
Hey all,
There is a 8" deep circular channel the circumference of a dime that goes
into my poured foundation wall.(from where the forms were used.)  It's
cement covering has come off and when heavy rain occurs I have a leak coming
in.
I bought the powder concrete mix and tried to fill the channel completely
but could not and I simply covered the opening up.  Is this enough or is the
channel supposed to be filled completely?
Thanks a lot
Tec.

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Lyle B. Harwood - 26 Mar 2005 02:07 GMT
> Hey all,
> There is a 8" deep circular channel the circumference of a dime that goes
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> but could not and I simply covered the opening up.  Is this enough or is the
> channel supposed to be filled completely?

I don't understand your description, there shouldn't be a "channel"
going through your wall, it should be solid cement. The only thing I
can think of about the size of a dime is a snap tie, and in that case,
the snap tie should still be in the wall.

Is the hole the shape of a cone?

In any case, it should be sealed on the outside of the wall. Once water
gets into a concrete wall, damage is already being done, whether or not
it penetrates to the space inside the wall.

It can be parged and dampproofed from the outside, but any fix from the
inside is temporary at best. I've written about it on my web page. It's
available here: http://phoenixhomesinc.com/basement.htm

Another suggestion I would make is to take a picture of it, post it to
a web site, and give us the URL. That way, we can all look at it, and
we may be able to give you an answer that way.

Best of luck, and let us know how it comes out!

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Tecumseh - 26 Mar 2005 02:46 GMT
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<lyle@invalid.phoenixhomesinc.com> wrote in message
news:250320051707116866%lyle@invalid.phoenixhomesinc.com...

> In article <Ns6dneaOlcEFEtnfRVn-sg@rogers.com>, Tecumseh

> ? channel supposed to be filled completely?

"
> going through your wall, it should be solid cement. The only thing I
> can think of about the size of a dime is a snap tie, and in that case,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Best of luck, and let us know how it comes out!

It is a cylinder 8" long and dime circumference going into the wall from the
inside.  It is where the forms were used.
Thanks for your concerns and response BTW.
Take Care
Daniel - 26 Mar 2005 05:55 GMT
> > In article <Ns6dneaOlcEFEtnfRVn-sg@rogers.com>, Tecumseh
>
> > ? channel supposed to be filled completely?

(Snipped)> >
> > Best of luck, and let us know how it comes out!
>
> It is a cylinder 8" long and dime circumference going into the wall from the
> inside.  It is where the forms were used.
> Thanks for your concerns and response BTW.
> Take Care

If you mean that this "hole" was used to insert bolts tightening the
shutter, the forms, while the concrete wall was cast, poured-in, then it
should have been closed for good. It's a contractor small mistake.

Fill it up completely otherwise your small "plug" may pop-off anytime.
It would also be good to cover that location, from outside, with a flexible
waterproof material, asphalt coatings or the like, as your cement-based
"plugging" will probably crack or de-bond a bit at circumference, allowing
water to enter.
Cheers
Daniel
Tecumseh - 26 Mar 2005 06:46 GMT
Thanks Daniel,
I will do as you suggested.
Cheers yourself
Thanks
Tec

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>
> > > In article <Ns6dneaOlcEFEtnfRVn-sg@rogers.com>, Tecumseh
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Cheers
> Daniel
Lyle B. Harwood - 26 Mar 2005 07:07 GMT
> It is a cylinder 8" long and dime circumference going into the wall from the
> inside.  It is where the forms were used.
> Thanks for your concerns and response BTW.

It's where the forms were used?

What does that mean?

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Daniel - 26 Mar 2005 10:46 GMT
> ? It is a cylinder 8" long and dime circumference going into the wall from
the
> ? inside.  It is where the forms were used.
> ? Thanks for your concerns and response BTW.
>
> It's where the forms were used?
>
> What does that mean?

That wall must have been done with metallic formwork. See a photo and the
bottom sketch at
http://www.deko.fr/ti/ti.php3?page=ti11
(In French, sorry, but the photos are self-explanatory)
When they removed the formwork and the "bolts", they left the hole opened or
poorly plugged.

I got his point (I hope) because I share a handicap with Tec: Poor technical
english language
Him, because he is not from the trade.
Me, because I am French :-)

If you have 5 mn, post here the proper words to name those formworks and
"bolts", thanks
Cheers
Daniel
Tecumseh - 26 Mar 2005 15:52 GMT
Tres Bien.
Je'mapel un grande idiott.
Thx Daniel.

> > ? It is a cylinder 8" long and dime circumference going into the wall from
> the
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Cheers
> Daniel
Daniel - 26 Mar 2005 18:10 GMT
> Tres Bien.
> Je'mapel un grande idiott.
> Thx Daniel.

No, no, you would be "un grand idiot" if you would be supposed to be a
construction professional...
What you are is called in French "un debutant"
Now, translate :-)
Cheers
Daniel

> > > ? It is a cylinder 8" long and dime circumference going into the wall
> from
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> > Cheers
> > Daniel
Tecumseh - 27 Mar 2005 01:14 GMT
OK,
You have got me Daniel.....
Where are you from out of curiosity?

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> > Tres Bien.
> > Je'mapel un grande idiott.
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> > > Cheers
> > > Daniel
Daniel - 27 Mar 2005 08:01 GMT
> OK,
> You have got me Daniel.....
> Where are you from out of curiosity?

I am French.
I may say "I was French"...
I left France 24 years ago, worked as an expat employee in the Middle East
(Saudi Arabia, Dubai) and South East Asia (Singapore, Philippines, Malaysia)
and eventually set-up my own small business in Thailand. All that within the
building industry.
Why Thailand?
If you could see a photo of "her", you would understand :-)

I post here and a bit at alt.architecture simply to stay in touch with what
is going on in the West in my trade.
Cheers
Daniel
Tecumseh - 28 Mar 2005 22:01 GMT
Very cool....come on let's see a PIK ;-)
Later

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> > OK,
> > You have got me Daniel.....
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Cheers
> Daniel
Fred Flintstone - 31 Mar 2005 09:29 GMT
Hello
If the 'channel' was allowing water through the foundation then it must be
contiupus through the foundation or else the concrete has excessive porosity
to allow this to happen.
When mix patterns are designed they are at their optimum when created as
close to laboratory condition as is possible.  This is to say that it is
created as one at the same time.  When concrete has hardened or cured the
hydration process has completed, the expansion and contraction processes
have finished and only minor chemical reactions continue but were you to
introduce a new 'pellet' of cement with exactly the same cement in the
concrete in as the original; mix then as it cures the cement will expand and
may split the original member that you are attempting to repair.  The
Japanese use this method to rip buildings apart in area where explosives
cannot be used.
Look inside the building while another pours water on to the repair an
confirm if it is leaking.  If it is then you have every right on Gods Earth
to panic else marry a very wealty woman.

> Hey all,
> There is a 8" deep circular channel the circumference of a dime that goes
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks a lot
> Tec.
 
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