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Homeowner Forum / Construction / February 2005electrical question (sorta)
i once asked a master electrician "i wanna put electric to my automobile so if anybody touches it,it will KNOCK THEM ON THEIR a.s,but NOT "KILL THEM",as i only wanna SCARE THEM UP a little"...his immediate response was "pull a 12/2 to it and attatch the BLACK wire to the body of the car,but DONT GROUND IT,and if its touched,it'll LIGHT THEM UP LIKE THE 4TH OF JULY"...i said "DAMN GOOD ANSWER"...is there any truth to this?afterall,i dont want the thing to EXPLODE if i make it LIVE,i just want it for SECURITY REASONS.....i live in a mobile home too,and i wanna make the ENTIRE OUTSIDE "LIVE" so if its touched when im not at home,it'll put a scare into potential burglars...once again,i dont want to KILL anybody,just put a scare into them....when i implement this plan,i have EVERY INTENTION of posting signs all around my property stating something to the effect "NO TRESPASSING--this property is protected by HIGH VOLTAGE electrical devices"..the devices i plan on installing WONT,of course,be HIGH VOLTAGE,but i dont want THE GENERAL PUBLIC to know that...AND,the devices i install will be on(hidden) SWITCHES so i can turn them on and off as i come and go. if i run a 12/2 to my vehicle but dont ground it,will it explode or cause system damage to the automobile itsself? how do i put the outside walls of my mobile home (which is metal) on electrical current,SAFELY? i know this is OFF THE WALL,but where i live is kinda ISOLATED and i just wanna be PROTECTED when im not home is all.... thank you in advance > i once asked a master electrician "i wanna put electric to my > automobile so if anybody touches it,it will KNOCK THEM ON THEIR > a.s,but NOT "KILL THEM",as i only wanna SCARE THEM UP a little"...his > immediate response was "pull a 12/2 to it and attatch the BLACK wire > to the body of the car,but DONT GROUND IT,and if its touched,it'll > LIGHT THEM UP LIKE THE 4TH OF JULY" That would be fatal level current for many situations, especially bare footed kids. Not the right approach at all..and if you did it an anyone was injured or killed you would be found at fault in court. its called setting a lethal trap. Not very smart actually/ Electric fencing on the other hand is not lethal, its very high voltage so it delivers a good shock, but low amperage capacity from its tranformer...its more or less 'inherently safe'... you might wish to investigate that. Phil Scott > i once asked a master electrician "i wanna put electric to my > automobile so if anybody touches it,it will KNOCK THEM ON THEIR [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > thank you in advance It's not high voltage that its deadly, it is high amperage. The electrified barbed wires the French farmers are using to keep the cattle are high voltage but low amperage. I touch one once when I was a kid, got a shock, found myself sitting on the ground 2 metres away from the wire, but no health injury. Dignity badly injured, that's all. Check with a contractor who do those fencing, I guess the US cattle farmers are using them also. Those guys must know. Cheers Daniel . No problem. Go ahead and do it. What's the worst that could happen?? BTW you may want to check with a lawyer. You may also want to make sure your assets have been transfered to someone elses name. Also make sure that the fathers of any children in the area are small and weak. Good luck. > i once asked a master electrician "i wanna put electric to my > automobile so if anybody touches it,it will KNOCK THEM ON THEIR [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > thank you in advance Not only is it off the wall, but it is illegal. Do this and you'll end up in jail. Then again, I'm sure this is a troll as nobody could really be this stupid. Matt so,am i to understand that on MY OWN PROPERTY,that i cant LEGALLY make my property safe by installing electrical devices even though i have WARNING signs posted on every corner of the property and even on the home itsself?..as for SMALL CHILDREN,theres NONE here-NONE AT ALL,cause like i said,where i live is rather ISOLATED..i admitted that this idea was OFF THE WALL,but as for one reply saying its STUPID,well,i wouldnt hardly go THAT-FAR..most people that have security systems will use VIDEO EQUIPMENT or MOTION SENSORS,or BOTH..the idea of using electricity as a SECURITY SYSTEM was thought up because most people are scared of electricity and will not even come NEAR anything saying that it has HIGH VOLTAGE attatched to it...well,THATS THE GENERAL IDEA for people to see the signs posted everywhere and not even attempt to bother anything,but if they feel they can go AROUND the system,for them to be PROVEN WRONG..the reason i even suggested this idea is because about 3 miles from where i live are youngsters that roam around in the area on the weekends,out partying n cruising around on the back roads to avoid the cops,which is fine,i did that myself as a youngster,and still do occasionally to be honest,but i stay close to home..these youngsters that roam the back roads here i dont much think would bother anything,as their probably just out with their friends,girlfriends or whoever just having fun,but theres a few of them i really dont trust because their on DRUGS,PAIN PILLS,COCAINE and on and on and if opportunity knocked,they just MIGHT take it upon themselves to HELP THEMSELVES with whatever they want in order to have money to fund their drug/partying habits.....so is this idea i have STUPID? SOME might think so,BUT I DONT..like i said,its primary goal is a SCARE TACTIC. >i once asked a master electrician "i wanna put electric to my >automobile so if anybody touches it,it will KNOCK THEM ON THEIR [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >thank you in advance > so,am i to understand that on MY OWN PROPERTY,that i cant LEGALLY make > my property safe by installing electrical devices even though i have [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > drug/partying habits.....so is this idea i have STUPID? SOME might > think so,BUT I DONT..like i said,its primary goal is a SCARE TACTIC. Don't take our word for it. Call your local Sheriff, Chief of Police or an attorney and ask them. Matt So, DUDE, what have you got to hide? Why would you risk jail to save YOUR belonings..I mean lets face it, you're in a damm mobile home.. how much money or crap can you really have>>! > so,am i to understand that on MY OWN PROPERTY,that i cant LEGALLY make > my property safe by installing electrical devices even though i have > WARNING signs posted on every corner of the property and even on the > home itsself? You cannot create a fatal booby trap that anyone even a burglar, on your property can easily access... regardless of your reasons. What if the police have chased you home some night, or the nice folks from the mental hospital have arrived to haul you off and accidently tough yer car. Its not legal to create a booby trap on your property. You might be able to build a fatal booby trap inside the house though. >..as for SMALL CHILDREN,theres NONE here-NONE AT > ALL,cause like i said,where i live is rather ISOLATED..i admitted that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > up because most people are scared of electricity and will not even > come NEAR anything saying that it has HIGH VOLTAGE An electric fence runs at 5,000 volts or so... thats high voltage. Your 220 volt booby trap is not very high voltage ...but wired to house power its high current capacity would be fatal. >attatched to > it...well,THATS THE GENERAL IDEA for people to see the signs posted [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > > >thank you in advance - Phil Scott - > Its not legal to create a booby trap on your property. - Nehmo - Maybe. But what actually happens when those cases go to court, _if_ they are prosecuted? I can remember two such cases. (I don't have time to research this subject beyond that right now.) One in Florida in Liberty City killing a black burglar [1] and one in Denver getting a skinhead burglar http://www.davekopel.com/CJ/OpEds/Spriggs.htm . Both results were more-or-less favorable to the defendants. (But I suppose things might have turned out differently if an innocent firefighter were killed.) Now, civil law is much less restrictive than criminal law. Almost anything can happen. http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=article&articleid=23607 "Family of Dead Booby Trapper Forced to Pay Family of Dead Burglar If the other cases described here make a mockery out of our legal system, ...In 1997, a bar owner, Jessie Ingram, suffered three burglaries in a little over a month. This forced him to booby trap the windows so that any further people trying to break in would get electrocuted. However, as a polite booby trapper, he posted warning signs informing burglars of their potential death by electric shock. Five days later, Larry Harris, a cocaine-filled drunk burglar, smashed his way through a window by one of these signs and was promptly blasted to death by Jessie’s kick a.s security system. ... Since Illinois law doesn’t care if you use deadly force to protect your home or business, Jessie was not charged with a crime. However, the family of the brilliant but now deliciously deep-fried Larry filed a wrongful death suit against Jessie and the man who owned the property. The Harris family lawyer argued that no one could really be sure what Larry was up to that night. ...it was a compelling enough argument that the case dragged on long enough for Jessie to die during the course of it. Finally, after everyone involved was dead, a jury decided to force the family of Jessie to pay $150,000 to the family of Larry. However, the jury conceded that Larry was HALF responsible for throwing himself onto the clearly marked electrical trap and cut the fabulous cash prize down to $75,000. I think we can all agree on the message that this case is sending: keeping my valuables in the bottom of that shark tank is nothing but a ticking time bomb of lawsuits. " [1] http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Zc8OTwIBpfsJ:insidecostarica.com/dailynews/ 03/february/21/zamora.htm In the '80s, Rubin used the "Tutti-Frutti" defense in the case of Prentice Rasheed. The storeowner booby trapped the roof of his Liberty City store in an attempt to stop burglaries. A suspected burglar was killed by the electrified booby trap. Rubin called on the expert testimony of a University of Miami scientist who testified that since Rasheed's pet ferret named Tutti-Frutti survived the same electric shock, it wasn't strong enough to kill a man. Rasheed was acquitted.  Signature********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* > - Phil Scott - > > Its not legal to create a booby trap on your property. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Now, civil law is much less restrictive than criminal law. Almost > anything can happen. http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=article&articleid=23607 > "Family of Dead Booby Trapper Forced to Pay Family of Dead Burglar > If the other cases described here make a mockery out of our legal [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > [1] http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Zc8OTwIBpfsJ:insidecostarica.com/dailynews/ 03/february/21/zamora.htm > In the '80s, Rubin used the "Tutti-Frutti" defense in the case of > Prentice Rasheed. The storeowner booby trapped the roof of his Liberty [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Rasheed's pet ferret named Tutti-Frutti survived the same electric > shock, it wasn't strong enough to kill a man. Rasheed was acquitted. Wem as you are aware, live in world comprised of many idiots with virtually no rational thinking skills...such idiots can flop either way on a jury.... these folks are completely nutz. In california a jury has sent a construction worker to prison for 2 years for killing a wild ferril rat on a construction site with a shovel... cruelty to animals it was called... he could have let little mickey run away unharmed. In LA three cops pumped **45** rounds into a fat black lady on welfare who was standing on her porch 30' away waiving a butter knife at them. One has to reach quite a bit to get any more insane than that. Phil Scott > An electric fence runs at 5,000 volts or so... thats high > voltage. Your 220 volt booby trap is not very high voltage > ...but wired to house power its high current capacity would be > fatal. And they pulse so that you can go in between jolts. Matt What about the one night you come home after "a few" and forget to flip the switch? Sure hope you dont stop for a quick leak outside also.. OOOUCH! > What about the one night you come home after "a few" and forget to > flip the switch? > > Sure hope you dont stop for a quick leak outside also.. > > OOOUCH! YOU just HAD to warn the guy dint you...... now he will be able to breed. > i once asked a master electrician "i wanna put electric to my > automobile so if anybody touches it,it will KNOCK THEM ON THEIR [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > thank you in advance Aren't you sitting on your porch with an American flag draped over yee shoulder and a shotgun rocking back and forth in your lap? That should be a good deterent and when you sleep just get one of yer "cousins" or mother's sons that yee fathered. "Tecumseh" <tecumsehcanada@rogers.com> wrote in message news:... > > i once asked a master electrician "i wanna put electric to my > > automobile so if anybody touches it,it will KNOCK THEM ON THEIR [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > That should be a good deterent and when you sleep just get one of yer > "cousins" or mother's sons that yee fathered. Very creative. Be interesting to see what kind of bites you get. > i once asked a master electrician "i wanna put electric to my > automobile so if anybody touches it,it will KNOCK THEM ON THEIR [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > thank you in advance Dude, please understand that my comments are with the best of intentions. The media has lied to all of us. You're beating yourself up worrying about the wrong thing. I challenge you (and everyone I meet who has similar fears) to examine your own life and the financial and emotional losses you have suffered. In one column list the losses from incompetent or dishonest car mechanics, or from extended warrantees on items such as computers that weren't honored, overcharges at store cash registers, bosses that promised a raise but didn't deliver, employers who forced you into unemployment because of your whistleblowing or your failure to be a "team player" in something illegal, govt agencies that charge increasingly more forth their serivices but give less in return, and so forth. In a second column list the losses from some guy jumping out of the bushes and stealing your wallet or your hubcaps. Then add each column's financial and emotional losses. Most every American who does this would find that the true enemy is overwhelmingly white, male or to a lesser extent female, and protected in his criminal activity by his business license or govt position. Ethan >i once asked a master electrician "i wanna put electric to my > automobile so if anybody touches it,it will KNOCK THEM ON THEIR [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > thank you in advance Have you considered attack dogs or maybe poisonous snakes? Don't do it, it'll EXPLODE.... |
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