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Ron G - 04 Jun 2005 23:05 GMT
Hi---
My umbrella canopy above our outdoor table has many years of black spots,
probably mold.
The winter weather does not seem to kill this stuff off.
Is there any way to remove this stuff without ruining the fabric on our
crank-up umbrella?
Thanks allot--
Best---
Ron
Phisherman - 04 Jun 2005 23:52 GMT
This mixture does not include household bleach which may weaken fabric
or fade colors.

Dissolve in a garden sprayer
1 gallon hot water
1/2 c. powder laundry detergent (Tide is excellent)
1/2 c. Borax
1/4 c. non-chlorine bleach (Clorox II or OxyClean)

Open the umbrella on the ground and wet it.  Spray the cleaning
solution onto the fabric and use a soft-bristle brush to loosen the
dirt, black spots, and seems.  Rinse well with cool water within 10
minutes.  You can repeat the procedure on problem areas if needed.
HTH

>Hi---
>My umbrella canopy above our outdoor table has many years of black spots,
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Vox Humana - 05 Jun 2005 17:19 GMT
> Hi---
> My umbrella canopy above our outdoor table has many years of black spots,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Best---
> Ron

Our crank-up umbrella got a lot of algae, dirt, and mildew stains on it a
few years ago (long story, don't ask!).  I couldn't remove the stains with
detergent and scrubbing.  I ended up using Clorox and TSP - a rather large
amount of Clorox at that.  I tested a small area and found the fabric to be
colorfast even with chlorine bleach.  I had to saturate the fabric, scrub,
and let it sit for a few minutes.  Then I rinsed.  I treated a small section
at a time.  You might test you umbrella to see if you can use chlorine
bleach.  In my case, it wasn't going to be usable anyway, so I figured it
wasn't a risk.  I think my umbrellas is canvas and the stripes are actually
painted on rather than died.  You can dilute the bleach and apply it to an
inconspicuous area with a Q-tip to test.
Choreboy - 06 Jun 2005 00:47 GMT
There are lots of cleaners for outdoor canvas.

Cleancanvas.com in New Haven offers a cleaning service.  Businesses and
homeowners ship canvas to them for hand cleaning.  They also sell
cleaning chemical and offer free advice.

Nowadays a lot of outdoor canvas is acrylic.  It's pretty colorfast and
durable, but harsh cleaning may damage the water repellent and the
polyester stitching.  If the repellent isn't replaced, the canvas will
get dirty sooner and be harder to clean.

Washing with mild soap like Ivory is recommended.  If that's not enough,
soaking 20 minutes in water with 1/4 cup bleach and 1/4 cup mild soap
per gallon may work.  Then rinse.

> Hi---
> My umbrella canopy above our outdoor table has many years of black spots,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Best---
> Ron
Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. - 07 Jun 2005 14:50 GMT
Hi Ron

Often the black spots are tree sap and you know what from aerial bombers.
Unless the black is streaked from being folded up.

We have several items made from various materials, a covered swing, a patio
cover, and grill covers besides the umbrella.

We use a few simple steps in cleaning these items every spring and they always
look great afterwards.  

First, we take commercial grade Windex and add 1 cup of Ammonia and spray
down everything until its saturated and let sit for at least an hour before
hosing it off, trying to keep it wet with the cleaner for that full hour
before rinsing.

Second, after it dries somewhat we wet everything again with Hydrogen Peroxide
H2O2.  This removes mold stains very well, especially from the folds and
pleats.  It's fairly cheap and works great.  Sometimes before rinsing, especially
things like grill covers or vinyl coated items we will scrub them lightly
with Soilax or TSP before hosing everything down with clean water and allowing
to dry.

Third, after everything is completely dry, we treat it with a waterproofer
usually designed for the purpose.  Such as Cameo Tent & Awning waterproofing.
Sometimes we just use Scotchgard for Outdoor Patio Furniture, a spray.
Of the aerosols we have used, the best by far was Drifab, an Amway product.
But still aerosols are not as good as the liquid Tent & Awning waterproofers
we have used.

As an aside:
If you have some lawn seating that tends to hold moisture and not dry as
it should.  If you spray these seats or seat backs down with a dilute solution
of liquid dishwashing detergent and let dry, then wipe the detergent off
the surface with a damp rag, they will be more apt to shed their water and
not remain damp.

TTUL
Gary

>Hi---
>My umbrella canopy above our outdoor table has many years of black spots,
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Barbecue Bob - 08 Jun 2005 21:21 GMT
> First, we take commercial grade Windex and add 1 cup of Ammonia and spray
> down everything until its saturated and let sit for at least an hour before
> hosing it off, trying to keep it wet with the cleaner for that full hour
> before rinsing.

There is no such product.  There is an institutional bottle containing
Windex concentrate.  It makes Windex when diluted with nine parts water.

> As an aside:
> If you have some lawn seating that tends to hold moisture and not dry as
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> the surface with a damp rag, they will be more apt to shed their water and
> not remain damp.

Dishwashing detergent is a wetting agent.  It kills bugs by preventing
them from shedding water.
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Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. - 09 Jun 2005 15:42 GMT
BBQ-BOOB Bastes the Boards Again!

S.C. Johnson manufactures Windex ORIGINAL.
It comes in aerosols, spray bottles, (squarish) gallons and as a concentrate.
The (squarish) gallon jugs are marked Institutional SIZE (NOT Insitutional
GRADE).

However, Johnson Diversey also manufactures Windex, but in higher commercial
strengths.
Windex Commercial Grade (1 gallon white CYLINDER)
Windex Powerized Formula (1 gallon white squarish and cylinder, plus a 5
gallon bag in box dispenser).

At one time, Sam's wholesale sold the Windex Commercial Grade mfg. by Johnson
Diversey, but have switched to the Windex Original mfg. by S.C. Johnson,
quite some time ago.

There is no comparison between the cleaning power of the two manufacturers
products.  Windex Original is like water compared to Windex Commercial or
the Windex Powerized Formula.

I know, we've been stuck with Windex Original a few times in the past and
it just don't do the job we need it to do.

TTUL
Gary
Barbecue Bob - 10 Jun 2005 20:00 GMT
> BBQ-BOOB Bastes the Boards Again!

Is that you, Ranger?

> S.C. Johnson manufactures Windex ORIGINAL.
> It comes in aerosols, spray bottles, (squarish) gallons and as a concentrate.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> However, Johnson Diversey also manufactures Windex, but in higher commercial
> strengths.

As of 2003 it was Drackett Division of S C Johnson.  They've changed the
name a little.

> Windex Commercial Grade (1 gallon white CYLINDER)
> Windex Powerized Formula (1 gallon white squarish and cylinder, plus a 5
> gallon bag in box dispenser).

According to Johnson Diversey's website it' all Windex Powerized
Formula.  Like other Windex, it's about 95% water.  What you call
Commercial Grade is the concentrate.

Powerized Formula is also sold for household use.  As of two years ago,
Original Windex contained isopropyl while Powerized Windex contained
ammonia.  This new stuff contains both, but it no longer contains
2butoxethanol.

> At one time, Sam's wholesale sold the Windex Commercial Grade mfg. by Johnson
> Diversey, but have switched to the Windex Original mfg. by S.C. Johnson,
> quite some time ago.

Quite some time ago?  Johnson Diversey didn't exist until 37 months ago.  
It didn't take over Drackett's Windex until November of 2002.

> There is no comparison between the cleaning power of the two manufacturers
> products.  Windex Original is like water compared to Windex Commercial or
> the Windex Powerized Formula.
>
> I know, we've been stuck with Windex Original a few times in the past and
> it just don't do the job we need it to do.

Unless FH or Marcey has contacted you about a rendezvous at Sam's Club,
your trolling isn't doing the job you need it to do.
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Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. - 11 Jun 2005 14:21 GMT
>> BBQ-BOOB Bastes the Boards Again!
>
>Is that you, Ranger?

Say what?  I've never used anything except my real name in the newsgroups.

>As of 2003 it was Drackett Division of S C Johnson.  They've changed the

>name a little.

Yep!

>According to Johnson Diversey's website it' all Windex Powerized
>Formula.  Like other Windex, it's about 95% water.  What you call
>Commercial Grade is the concentrate.

Yep on the WATER.
NOPE on the Concentrate.
I do see where the Commercial Grade has been discontinued, probably since
they came out with the Powerized Formula, looks like the same stuff to me.

>Powerized Formula is also sold for household use.  As of two years ago,

I only buy the stuff in gallons, so don't know if they are packaging it in
smaller containers or not and don't care.

>Original Windex contained isopropyl while Powerized Windex contained
>ammonia.  This new stuff contains both, but it no longer contains
>2butoxethanol.

I didn't care what was in it, as long as it worked for the purpose we were
using it for.

>Quite some time ago?  Johnson Diversey didn't exist until 37 months ago.

Correct, but if I said Drackett's Windex it would have been more confusing.

>Unless FH or Marcey has contacted you about a rendezvous at Sam's Club,

>your trolling isn't doing the job you need it to do.

I wasn't trolling for anything, just stating the facts.

TTUL
Gary
Barbecue Bob - 11 Jun 2005 16:47 GMT
> >> BBQ-BOOB Bastes the Boards Again!
> >
> >Is that you, Ranger?
>
> Say what?  I've never used anything except my real name in the newsgroups.

But you ridicule me and my fine restaurant chain by altering my name.

> >According to Johnson Diversey's website it' all Windex Powerized
> >Formula.  Like other Windex, it's about 95% water.  What you call
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I do see where the Commercial Grade has been discontinued, probably since
> they came out with the Powerized Formula, looks like the same stuff to me.

Can you show documentation that Johnson Diversey ever made anything
called Windex Commercial Grade?

> >Powerized Formula is also sold for household use.  As of two years ago,
>
> I only buy the stuff in gallons, so don't know if they are packaging it in
> smaller containers or not and don't care.

You urge our fine readers to buy your favorite product but don't care to
find out what it's called or how it's sold?

> >Original Windex contained isopropyl while Powerized Windex contained
> >ammonia.  This new stuff contains both, but it no longer contains
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> I wasn't trolling for anything, just stating the facts.

Facts?
You don't care what's in it, what the product name is, or what size
container we should look for, and you deliberately told us the wrong
manufacturer.
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The Ranger - 11 Jun 2005 17:15 GMT
> > > > BBQ-BOOB Bastes the Boards Again!
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> But you ridicule me and my fine restaurant chain by altering
> my name.

Bubba Booby, Bubba-booby, Bubba...

I see you're poaching the corporate koi again while enjoying the
after-affects of licking cockroach rears you catch when they scamper
across your food. Throw it back. Koi are supposed to eat from your hand.

ObBBQBoob: "Stupid is as stupid does."

The Ranger
---
"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I
thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the
terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them?
So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of
the universe."
-+-+-+- Marcus, 'A Late Delivery From Avalon', Babylon 5
Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. - 12 Jun 2005 23:01 GMT
>But you ridicule me and my fine restaurant chain by altering my name.

If the Shoe Fits!

>Can you show documentation that Johnson Diversey ever made anything
>called Windex Commercial Grade?

Why would I have to, I never made such a statement!

We used Windex Commercial Grade for about 4 years and that was at least 6
or more years ago.
I don't remember WHO made it, other than it was Windex Commercial Grade and
it worked.
I would venture to guess it was probably Drackett since they were the only
other manufacturer of products under the Windex name.

>You urge our fine readers to buy your favorite product but don't care to

>find out what it's called or how it's sold?

I wouldn't say it was my FAVORITE product, but of what is easily available
to consumers, I was pointing out that Windex ORIGINAL is NOT the same Windex
we used that worked.

>Facts?
>You don't care what's in it, what the product name is, or what size
>container we should look for, and you deliberately told us the wrong
>manufacturer.

No I did NOT, Johnson Diversey is who makes the Windex that WORKS!
S. C. Johnson is who makes the Windex Original.

Gary
Barbecue Bob - 13 Jun 2005 15:26 GMT
> >But you ridicule me and my fine restaurant chain by altering my name.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Why would I have to, I never made such a statement!

Did I misunderstand what you posted Thursday?

"However, Johnson Diversey also manufactures Windex, but in higher
commercial strengths.
Windex Commercial Grade (1 gallon white CYLINDER)
Windex Powerized Formula (1 gallon white squarish and cylinder, plus a 5
gallon bag in box dispenser)."

"At one time, Sam's wholesale sold the Windex Commercial Grade mfg. by
Johnson Diversey, but have switched to the Windex Original mfg. by S.C.
Johnson, quite some time ago."

Could it have been Ranger posting in your name?

> We used Windex Commercial Grade for about 4 years and that was at least 6
> or more years ago.
> I don't remember WHO made it, other than it was Windex Commercial Grade and
> it worked.
> I would venture to guess it was probably Drackett since they were the only
> other manufacturer of products under the Windex name.

Dracket invented Windex.  S C Johnson bought them up... was it about
1990?  S C Johnson began using their own name for Windex in consumer
bottles.

> >You urge our fine readers to buy your favorite product but don't care to
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> to consumers, I was pointing out that Windex ORIGINAL is NOT the same Windex
> we used that worked.

What's the difference in the formulas?

> >Facts?
> >You don't care what's in it, what the product name is, or what size
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> No I did NOT, Johnson Diversey is who makes the Windex that WORKS!
> S. C. Johnson is who makes the Windex Original.

Here's how I was answered Saturday in a message purportedly from you:

***>Quite some time ago?  Johnson Diversey didn't exist until 37 months
ago.

***Correct, but if I said Drackett's Windex it would have been more
confusing.

Was that Ranger, posting in your name again?

Johnson Diversey is a new division of S C Johnson.  Don't you think it
all comes from the same plant?
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Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. - 13 Jun 2005 18:16 GMT
Hi BBQ Boob

Pasternacks order manual read:
128 Oz Commercial Line, Blue Windex Refill, Model # 12207, Mfr SC Johnson
Wax.
(Their listing is innundated with ERRORS as you can see.)  The model number
given is for the Powerized Formula, which is not made by SC Johnson Wax at
all.

I found the below chemical breakdown at a website that was listing the ingredients
in several good window cleaners.
Windex blue is the Powerized Formula!
You might note that Windex Original is not even listed, it's not considered
a 'good' window cleaner.

Windex blue:
2-butoxyethanol (0-2%) - dissolution promoter
isopropyl alcohol (0-3%) - alcohol
ammonia - emulsifier
water

Windex commercial:
2-butoxyethanol (0.5-1.5%) - dissolution promoter
ethylene glycol hexyl ether (0.5-1.5%) - solvent
isopropyl alcohol (1-5%) - alcohol
ammonia - emulsifier
water

Windex with vinegar:
2-butoxyethanol (5-10%) - dissolution promoter
acetic acid (0-0.25%) - descaler,
ammonia - emulsifier
water

Ace Hardware Stores advertize the Windex ORIGINAL as being The Commercial
Line in fraudulent hopes to sell this water as window cleaner.
http://www.acehardware.com/sm-windex-commercial-line-original-12-pack--pi-142011
5.html


And here is the Commercial Grade Windex:

   *  Drackett 90940 Windex Commercial Grade Glass Cleaner
   *  Streak Free Shine, 1 Gallon
   *  No Phosphates; Ammonia-D
   *  Weight 9.18 pounds
   *  SKU# DRA90940

TTUL
Gary
Sweep - 13 Jun 2005 19:25 GMT
> Hi BBQ Boob

Letsplay!
I wondered where you went.
Barbecue Bob - 13 Jun 2005 19:29 GMT
> Hi BBQ Boob
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> given is for the Powerized Formula, which is not made by SC Johnson Wax at
> all.

Yes.  "Commercial LIne".  Error.

> I found the below chemical breakdown at a website that was listing the
> ingredients
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> ammonia - emulsifier
> water

Who calls it Windex Commercial?  According to the NIH, that's the
formula for Windex Original, submitted in 1996 and verified in 2003.

http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=brands&
id=19001030

It's not surprising.  Johnson Diversey's website provides one Windex
MSDS that covers a lot of product numbers.

> Windex with vinegar:
> 2-butoxyethanol (5-10%) - dissolution promoter
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> http://www.acehardware.com/sm-windex-commercial-line-original-12-pack--pi-1420
> 115.html

I'll bet they got that from reading ahc.  See the confusion your
trolling has caused?

> And here is the Commercial Grade Windex:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>     *  Weight 9.18 pounds
>     *  SKU# DRA90940

Who calls it Commercial Grade Windex?  According to Johnson Diversey,
90940 has the same formula as 126011004, 3694044, 3694052, 90122, 90135,
and 90139.
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FH - 11 Jun 2005 16:53 GMT
> I wasn't trolling for anything, just stating the facts.
>
> TTUL
> Gary

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