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Excessive Dust!  From where?

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Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. - 14 May 2005 15:04 GMT
Hi Gang

I moved into a very dusty old house.  It was quite obvious where all the
excess dust was coming from.  Ceiling to wall joints not taped and joined,
covered with loose fitting crown molding.  Floor to wall joints with large
gaps and baseboards 1/2 inch above the floors.  Drafty windows, dirty ductwork,
Etc.

Because I work out of my home, creating a new office was my first priority.
All new insulation, wiring, drywall, all seams taped and jointed, new flooring,
etc.  Airtight except for the vents which also have their own independent
filters.  Virtually no dust at all in this room.  Even between the monthly
cleanings of the office, you find very little dust on anything.

I renovated the master bedroom second, in like manner.  Sealing everything
to the hilt.  Naturally, since it is a bedroom, we are handling clothing
and linens in that room everyday.  Yet it still gets very dusty in only a
day or two.

Knowing the rest of the house is still very dusty, and there will be continuous
renovations going on.  I installed a small fan with HEPA filter in the ductwork
to maintain a small positive pressure in this room.  The reason was to keep
dust from coming in under the only door to the bedroom.
This filter picks up very little dust, so it's not coming in from the ductwork.

Can this much dust really be coming from clothing and linens?

I get more dust in this room, settling on furniture in 3 short days, than
I get in my office in a full two months, even if I skip cleaning my office
monthly.

The rooms are basically identical, the office being built as if it was a
second master bedroom only smaller.

The amount of dust is just mind boggling and I have no idea where it is coming
from.

Any ideas?

TTUL
Gary
Kard Krafter - 18 May 2005 15:30 GMT
Tissues and toilet paper generate an enormous amount of dust especially
Kleenex brand.
Dawn - 19 May 2005 01:48 GMT
>Hi Gang
>
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>The amount of dust is just mind boggling and I have no idea where it is coming
>from.
Is the dust coming from you? If it's a bedroom I am going to assume
you take your clothes off there, that may send dust flying about.
How about the bedding? Are you using a quilt or duvet that's making
dust?
Choreboy - 19 May 2005 05:25 GMT
> >The amount of dust is just mind boggling and I have no idea where it is coming
> >from.
> Is the dust coming from you? If it's a bedroom I am going to assume
> you take your clothes off there, that may send dust flying about.
> How about the bedding? Are you using a quilt or duvet that's making
> dust?

I wonder if Mrs. Bonk has to dust her bedroom after entertaining you-know-who.
Mrs Bonk - 21 May 2005 02:20 GMT
>>> The amount of dust is just mind boggling and I have no idea where it is
>>> coming from.
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> I wonder if Mrs. Bonk has to dust her bedroom after entertaining
> you-know-who.

Behave!
Gregory Morrow - 23 May 2005 06:57 GMT
> >>> The amount of dust is just mind boggling and I have no idea where it is
> >>> coming from.
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>
> Behave!

Do you entertain crumbling old mummies, Mrs. B....???

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Mrs Bonk - 24 May 2005 09:38 GMT
>>>>> The amount of dust is just mind boggling and I have no idea where it
>>>>> is coming from.
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>
> Do you entertain crumbling old mummies, Mrs. B....???

I seem to be entertaining you Gregory dear!
sweep@whoever.com - 19 May 2005 20:45 GMT
did you open your wallet?
Choreboy - 22 May 2005 18:16 GMT
> The amount of dust is just mind boggling and I have no idea where it is coming
> from.
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> TTUL
> Gary

Well, where is it coming from?

Choreboy
Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. - 23 May 2005 16:25 GMT
Hi Choreboy

>Well, where is it coming from?

I know where some of it is coming from, the normal dust from daily life and
having linens around.

But this was considerably more dust than should be expected in a sealed room.

Right now I'm running a negative ion generator which knocked it all down
out of the air and now get a whole lot less dust.

In any case, a yellow haze in the dust indicated it was more pollen than
actual man made dust.
Figuring out how it got into a positive pressure room was baffling.

When we went to change the filter in the register/ductwork we found more
dust on the top than on the back of the filter.
And a little checking found that when the HVAC blower kicked off and the
vent fan kicked on, it was installed backwards.

So, rather than a positive pressure in the room, it became a negative pressure
sucking the dust into the room rather than keeping it out.

We turned the vent blower around only Saturday, so we will see what happens
over the next week.

TTUL
Gary
Choreboy - 23 May 2005 21:53 GMT
> Hi Choreboy
>
> >Well, where is it coming from?
>
> I know where some of it is coming from, the normal dust from daily life and
> having linens around.

"Dust" is a generic term.  I think the fuzzy dust that forms kittens
comes from human skin, but maybe humans also produce dust that's too
fine to form kittens.

> Right now I'm running a negative ion generator which knocked it all down
> out of the air and now get a whole lot less dust.

I used one once when tearing open a wall full of rock wool.  It worked great.

> In any case, a yellow haze in the dust indicated it was more pollen than
> actual man made dust.

With a bagless vac, I like to dump dust into a box outside and examine
it.  Dust from different parts of the house is different.

> Figuring out how it got into a positive pressure room was baffling.
>
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> We turned the vent blower around only Saturday, so we will see what happens
> over the next week.

I hope Marcey doesn't forward your message to your ISP.  A vent is for
the escape or discharge of gases.

Choreboy
Mrs Bonk - 24 May 2005 09:49 GMT
> With a bagless vac, I like to dump dust into a box outside and examine
> it.  Dust from different parts of the house is different.

With my Dyson I can see the dust, or should I say the colour of the dust.
When my daughter comes to stay she uses talcum powder and the dust from the
bathroom is whitish and lots of it coating everything. I have banned her
from using it in my home, dreadful messy, toxic powder. I never used it for
any of my children when they were babies and can't think why they wish to
use it now.
I wonder if Gary uses it ?
Gregory Morrow - 24 May 2005 11:15 GMT
> > With a bagless vac, I like to dump dust into a box outside and examine
> > it.  Dust from different parts of the house is different.
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> any of my children when they were babies and can't think why they wish to
> use it now.

It is harmful to pessaries, is it not...???

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Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. - 24 May 2005 14:23 GMT
Hi Mrs B

Don't use it, talc or baking powder.

But I think turning the duct fan around made a big difference already.  

I was sanding some joint compound in the hall and not one speck of it got
into the bedroom.  In fact, the area by the base of the bedroom door remained
clean.  The sanding dust blew into the living room that drifted near the
door, hi hi.....

TTUL
Gary
Mrs Bonk - 25 May 2005 21:25 GMT
> Hi Mrs B
>
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> remained clean.  The sanding dust blew into the living room that drifted
> near the door, hi hi.....
messy old job, sanding. Even with my vacuum connected to the sander I find
dust all over the house. I am dreading doing the dining room floor again.
Gregory Morrow - 26 May 2005 12:15 GMT
> messy old job, sanding. Even with my vacuum connected to the sander I find
> dust all over the house. I am dreading doing the dining room floor again.

The trick to happy sanding is to remove the vibrating attachment, that way
you won't get all shook up...and make sure all parts are adequately
lubricated.

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Choreboy - 26 May 2005 14:13 GMT
> > messy old job, sanding. Even with my vacuum connected to the sander I find
> > dust all over the house. I am dreading doing the dining room floor again.
>
> The trick to happy sanding is to remove the vibrating attachment, that way
> you won't get all shook up...and make sure all parts are adequately
> lubricated.

The subject has been covered before in this forum.  The trick to happy
sanding is to breathe through a swim snorkel stuffed with steel wool.
One should never run an electric vacuum cleaner while sanding due to the
risk of explosion.
Mrs Bonk - 01 Jun 2005 01:44 GMT
>>> messy old job, sanding. Even with my vacuum connected to the sander I
>>> find dust all over the house. I am dreading doing the dining room floor
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> One should never run an electric vacuum cleaner while sanding due to the
> risk of explosion.
Don't forget the bath hat!
Gregory Morrow - 01 Jun 2005 02:41 GMT
> >>> messy old job, sanding. Even with my vacuum connected to the sander I
> >>> find dust all over the house. I am dreading doing the dining room floor
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> > risk of explosion.
> Don't forget the bath hat!

And the bathing machine...

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Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. - 26 May 2005 15:55 GMT
Hi Mrs B

This house has real red oak hardwood floors, but the years have taken their
toll, past renovations has left too many places to repair.  Plus whoever
did the original flooring didn't abide by normal standards of uniform placement.
Normally I would repair, sand and oil the floors to make them almost carefree.

However, this time I'm covering the original hardwood with a floating floor,
still in the red oak finish.  Because I will be doing the whole house over
time, I went with the more expensive Pergo because they will carry the same
pattern.  Other companies seem to drop and start lines too often to take
that chance.
The company that made the floor I used in the garage office has already discontinued
the particular shade I used in there.

As far as the dust problem, since turning the duct fan around, we are not
seeing any more dust buildup over what we would consider normal.  So were
happy about that.

TTUL
Gary
Wayne Boatwright - 27 May 2005 12:27 GMT
> Hi Mrs B
>
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> not seeing any more dust buildup over what we would consider normal.  So
> were happy about that.

What do you mean by "turning the duct fan around", and how does that help
with dust buildup?

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Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. - 27 May 2005 15:31 GMT
Hi Wayne

>What do you mean by "turning the duct fan around", and how does that help

>with dust buildup?

Adding a duct fan inside the ductwork of each room you have completed remodeling
maintains it under a slight positive pressure.

It's also beneficial in rooms where folks with allergies sleep!

Maintaining a room with a slightly positive pressure keeps contaminants from
entering through cracks around window seals and from under the door.

I bought a very old post-war house that has more gaps and cracks than a sieve
has holes.  As I finish renovating each room, I wanted to keep the dust,
especially construction dust from entering the completed rooms.  Maintaining
them under positive pressure will do just that.

Trouble was, the decal on the fan that showed the airflow direction was on
backwards, pointing the wrong way.  So it got installed backwards.  Therefore
it was drawing more dust into the room by creating a negative pressure in
the room.
Finally figured this out when I saw more dust on the top of the register
filter than on the bottom side of it.

When all the construction is done, you can remove the duct fans, or connect
them to individual room thermostats if you have zoned HVAC.

TTUL
Gary
Wayne Boatwright - 27 May 2005 16:37 GMT
> Hi Wayne
>
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> TTUL
> Gary

Thanks, Gary.  A brilliant idea to a dusty problem.  I have only used a
duct fan once.  That was for a duct leading to an isolated 2nd floor room
that didn't get adequate air supply.  It had a built-in sail switch that
turned it on and off with the force of air coming from the furnace.  
Luckily it's air flow label was correct. :-)

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