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AL MAL 106 - 05 Feb 2005 14:41 GMT
I live in Northeast US and we've had a wet fall and mild winter.Problem is
ladybugs and some sort of small gnat indoors.A few people I talked too also
have same problem.Does anyone else have this? Did weather cause it? Where did
they come from? How do I solve this problem? Any help would greatly be
appreciated.Thankyou
The Ranger - 05 Feb 2005 16:04 GMT
> [..] Problem is ladybugs and some sort of small gnat indoors.
[snip]

I'd not worry too much about the ladybugs; they're a beneficial predator
and, while annoying to have them invading your personal space, will keep
down any aphid invasions and a myriad of other pests.

The gnats, depending on where you're finding them (cupboard, fruit bowl,
hanging vegetable sorter, sponge at the back of the sink, or even
outside) can be controlled by finding their "food" base. Once you are
able to locate that base, control will be easy with any OTC pesticide.
Capture some and bring them down to your local nursery so their
employees can see what you're trying to eradicate.

If you have a LARGE outside area that is not draining properly and is
the source of these gnats, you'll need to remove the standing water and
cover the detritus that they're feeding on. Long-term, you'll have to
work on bettering the downward flow of water so that at the next rain,
the same thing doesn't happen again. (Hopefully you don't have water
draining back towards your house. That's going to run into big dollars.)

The Ranger
peggo - 05 Feb 2005 16:37 GMT
>> [..] Problem is ladybugs and some sort of small gnat indoors.
> [snip]
>
> I'd not worry too much about the ladybugs; they're a beneficial predator
> and, while annoying to have them invading your personal space, will keep
> down any aphid invasions and a myriad of other pests.

True IF they're ladybugs.  What we have here in Wisconsin are large
infestations of Japanese Beetles.  They look alot like ladybugs, but they're
NOT.  They bite, stink, and leave little brown marks.  They come out every
sunny day when the temperature is above 40. The only way to get rid of them
is to vacuum them up.

peggo
The Ranger - 05 Feb 2005 17:27 GMT
> "The Ranger" <cuhulain_-98@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:36k8fbF50hp86U1@individual.net...
> > AL MAL 106 <almal106@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20050205094110.14897.00000304@mb-m21.aol.com...
> >> [..] Problem is ladybugs and some sort of small gnat indoors.
> > [snip]
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> are large infestations of Japanese Beetles.  They look a lot
> like ladybugs, but they're NOT.

I don't see the similarities, except that they both have exoskeletons.

Japanese Beetles
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=japanese+beetle&spell=1

(I did like the map showing the infestation on the above link.)

Ladybug
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&q=ladybug
(Who knew if you added "insect" you got nothing but toy images?!)

Here are a couple helpful links on their differences, too.
http://dnr.state.il.us/lands/education/classrm/wingleg/ladybug.htm
http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2504.html

The Ranger
Choreboy - 05 Feb 2005 20:18 GMT
>>"The Ranger" <cuhulain_-98@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> I don't see the similarities, except that they both have exoskeletons.

That was a low blow, Ranger.  You know very well that "Japanese Beetles"
is what Peggo, Nan, and the other good people of Wisconsin call Asian
Lady Beetles.  They have infested much of the country and invade houses
on warm days in cool weather.  What defense is there but a caulk gun?

You and AL MAL have trolled Peggo into this terrible flame war and I
predict she'll make you regret it.

Sincerely,
Choreboy
The Ranger - 05 Feb 2005 22:13 GMT
> > I don't see the similarities, except that they both have
> > exoskeletons.
> >
> That was a low blow, Ranger.

You have a low threshhold for understanding here too.

> You know very well that "Japanese Beetles" is what Peggo
> [..] call Asian Lady Beetles.

A quick search reveals the same information and similar images... So,
again, you're lowing that threshhold of understanding to even lower
levels. Whatever floats that dingy you strand yourself in with such
regularity.

> You [..] have trolled Peggo into this terrible flame war and I
> predict she'll make you regret it.

FOaD.

The Ranger
peggo - 05 Feb 2005 22:45 GMT
>>>"The Ranger" <cuhulain_-98@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Sincerely,
> Choreboy

You must be psychic.

peggo
The Ranger - 05 Feb 2005 23:38 GMT
[snip drivel and dreck]
> You must be psychic.

He's psychotic but not psychic. Just as you give yourself too much
credit for simple reading comprehension.

The Ranger
--
Nothing which was ever expressed originally in the English language
resembles, except in the most distant way, the thought of Plotinus, or
Hegel, or Foucault. I take this to be enormously to the credit of our
language.
                    -- David Stove
peggo - 05 Feb 2005 22:42 GMT
>> "The Ranger" <cuhulain_-98@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:36k8fbF50hp86U1@individual.net...
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> The Ranger

Dick.
http://images.google.com/images?q=Dick&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi&sourceid=tipimg

peggo
The Ranger - 05 Feb 2005 23:33 GMT
[snip]
> Dick.

http://images.google.com/images?q=Dick&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi&sourceid=ti
pimg

What a sad statement this is.

ObTopic: It's pathetic, really, you can't tell the difference between
the two insects. Vacuuming them [Japanese beetles] up might make you
"feel good" but it does nothing more. A square of tissue paper is
quicker.

Objust4Peggo: sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ images/dildo5.jpg

The Ranger
AL MAL 106 - 06 Feb 2005 00:09 GMT
Guys please I just wanted a simple answer,its a ladybug and not a japanese
beetle.Just wondering why this winter,never had them before,and same true with
little gnat like insects,never had them before,but must get rid of
them.Thankyou
The Ranger - 06 Feb 2005 00:29 GMT
> Guys please I just wanted a simple answer, its a ladybug
> and not a japanese beetle.Just wondering why this winter,
> never had them before, and same true with little gnat like
> insects,never had them before,but must get rid of them.

The extra moisture might account for the sudden bonanza of insect life.
Someone might also have purchased a few thousand ladybugs for pest
control and your yard (and home) is now benefiting by offering them the
perfect smorgasbord.

Are they interior or exterior pests?

The Ranger
Choreboy - 06 Feb 2005 01:54 GMT
> Guys please I just wanted a simple answer,its a ladybug and not a japanese
> beetle.Just wondering why this winter,never had them before,and same true with
> little gnat like insects,never had them before,but must get rid of
> them.Thankyou

Let me be the first to accept your apology.  It's really Ranger's fault,
not yours.  To hear him talk you'd think Wisconsin was a cretin colony.
 He'll have to pay the piper when Nan finds out.

The ladybugs are Asian lady beetles.  You haven't seen them before
because they are new in America.  Unlike other lady beetle species, they
mass for hibernation.  When they sun warms the wall of a house in
autumn, they collect and look for a way in.  They do no harm except that
on warm days some may wake up and crawl into your living space.  They
don't sting or carry disease.

If you can't stand them, vacuuming works.  In some states it's illegal
to spray lady beetles. If it's legal, pyrethrin sprays are the most
effective.  However, even if you spray through a crack into the space
where they are hybernating, spray is unlikely to kill a hybernating
beetle.  That means more will probably appear on the next warm day.

Caulking interior cracks may keep them out of your living space.
Caulking exterior holes in summer may keep them out of your walls.

The gnats are probably fungus gants.  Do you have indoor plants?  The
gnats eat the fungi that grow in moist organic matter such as potting
soil.  If you let the soil dry out between waterings, that will kill
fungi and gnats.  These gnats can also be controlled with pyrethrin
spray or pheromone traps.

Sincerely,
Choreboy
peggo - 06 Feb 2005 14:16 GMT
>> Guys please I just wanted a simple answer,its a ladybug and not a
>> japanese
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> not yours.  To hear him talk you'd think Wisconsin was a cretin colony.
> He'll have to pay the piper when Nan finds out.

Well I did get the name wrong.  Sorry.
Don't know about Nan, but lots of Wisconsin folks could pass for cretins.

peggo
a Wisconsin Cretin.
Choreboy - 06 Feb 2005 01:30 GMT
> ObTopic: It's pathetic, really, you can't tell the difference between
> the two insects. Vacuuming them [Japanese beetles] up might make you
> "feel good" but it does nothing more. A square of tissue paper is
> quicker.

Peggo said nothing about Popillia japonica.  Why do you keep changing
the subject?

Nor are we talking about all 5000 species of ladybugs, which include the
Mexican bean beetle squash ladybug.

Even a provincial like you should have realized that Peggo and AL MAL
were describing Harmonia axyridis Pallas.  The worst they can do is
stink up your house and attacking them with TP will induce them to
spray.  A vacuum cleaner is the recommended tool.

Sincerely,
Choreboy
Phisherman - 06 Feb 2005 02:56 GMT
>[snip]
>> Dick.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>The Ranger

Ranger-- peggo is "right on" using the vacuum.  Have you tried picking
up several ladybugs using squares of tissue?  The ladybug tightly
hunkers down  when threatened and clings to the surface making it
difficult to pick up, even using fingernails.  The crevice vacuum
attachment gets the job done, quick and easy.
The Ranger - 06 Feb 2005 07:21 GMT
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:33:07 -0800, "The Ranger"
<cuhulain_-98@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > ObTopic: It's pathetic, really, you can't tell the
> > difference between the two insects. Vacuuming
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> >
> peggo is "right on" using the vacuum.

Unless you leave the bag in rather than take it straight out to the
garbage.

> Have you tried picking up several ladybugs using squares
> of tissue?

Yes, often because I am one of those gardeners that likes to use them
for predation of aphids. It's not unusual to find them in some unusual
places during the Spring, Summer and Fall around (inside) Castle Ranger.
I also use printer paper to scoop up misplaced ladybugs.

> The crevice vacuum attachment gets the job done,
> quick and easy.

Easy yes; beneficial to your yard, no.

The Ranger
peggo - 06 Feb 2005 14:08 GMT
>>[snip]
>>> Dick.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> difficult to pick up, even using fingernails.  The crevice vacuum
> attachment gets the job done, quick and easy.

Thanks Phish.
My experience hasn't been "several", but hundreds.  Add in the box elder
bugs, and my vacuum is my best friend.

peggo
Phisherman - 06 Feb 2005 02:43 GMT
>I live in Northeast US and we've had a wet fall and mild winter.Problem is
>ladybugs and some sort of small gnat indoors.A few people I talked too also
>have same problem.Does anyone else have this? Did weather cause it? Where did
>they come from? How do I solve this problem? Any help would greatly be
>appreciated.Thankyou

Yes, my house has ladybugs--more than I can recall in any winter.
They find cracks to enter the house as they hide in tree bark to
overwinter.  I'm careful not to crush them as they can stain and
stink.  I vacuum the entire house twice weekly and use the crevice
attachment to suck up the critters that usually congregate around the
window frames during sunny days.  We had swarms of ladybugs outdoors
last fall, so many that they crawl into clothing--and they can bite.
They seem to be most active in the afternoon, outdoors and indoors.
My advice is to regularly vacuum them up, and the remaining will be
gone in the spring.  Resist the use of insecticide.

Ladybug!  Ladybug!
Fly away home.
Your house is on fire.
And your children all gone.

All except one,
And that's little Ann,
For she crept under
The frying pan.
Suzie-Q - 06 Feb 2005 04:34 GMT
-> I live in Northeast US and we've had a wet fall and mild winter.Problem is
-> ladybugs and some sort of small gnat indoors.A few people I talked too also
-> have same problem.Does anyone else have this? Did weather cause it? Where did
-> they come from? How do I solve this problem? Any help would greatly be
-> appreciated.Thankyou

It apparently happens a lot. It has been discussed in detail
on news:alt.consumers.pest-control . I have ladybugs in my house
this winter, and had them last winter, as well.

Please remember that ladybugs are a very beneficial insect. Don't
kill them if you don't absolutely have to. Capture and release!

Thanks!
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