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JJ - 14 May 2008 18:50 GMT
Hi all,

I'm using Active Home for my X-10 interface and can't stand it.  Is there
better software for controlling my modules?  My biggest complaints are that
using 10 modules and the sunrise/sunset commands suck up all the resources
and my resolution is such that I can only adjust the timings every 20 days.
The other complaint is that macros won't work for multiple modules, just for
a simple on command.
I used to use X-10 powerhouse but that never interfaced with XP or some
other problem which I can't quite recall, its been about 6 years since that
worked.

Thanks,
David White - 14 May 2008 20:22 GMT
Hello JJ.

When you talk about resources being used up, that may really be more a
function of the controller's on-board memory rather than the software
which downloads the macros. I have a CM11A and I too had to set my
resolution lower than I wanted to get things to fit. I believe that the
newer units (which are USB instead of RS-232) have more memory so that
may help me out - perhaps you too?

I also don't quite understand what you are saying about macros not
working for multiple modules. I have single macros which operate on
multiple receiver modules (with different codes) turning on some and
turning off others. These macros are downloaded into the CM11A and seem
to work just fine.

For the record, I have been using Active Home 1.32 and only recently
moved to version 1.42. It seems that 1.42 is a little better on XP in
terms of its RS-232 communications. But other than that, they seem
nearly identical. I doubt these versions of Active Home will work with
the new USB controller and I am not sure if the new version of Active
Home that does will work with USB supports the CM11A.

> Hi all,
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> Thanks,
John J. Bengii - 14 May 2008 21:04 GMT
USB?  yuk!

My transmitter/receiver is at my electrical panel in the garage and my
computer is 100 feet away (by wire length)

> Hello JJ.
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>> Thanks,
David White - 14 May 2008 21:40 GMT
Perhaps if you made it clear what controller/transmitter you were using
that would make things more clear. At the minimum, you really only use
the USB interface to connect to the computer for downloading macros.
Then you can plug it in anywhere.

> USB?  yuk!
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John J. Bengii - 14 May 2008 22:29 GMT
CM-11 macros suck! There are no conditionals. It takes an active computer to
make it perform worth not getting up and manually turning on the lights.
This means not setting anything into the CM-11 but using it as a constant
peripheral.

> Perhaps if you made it clear what controller/transmitter you were using
> that would make things more clear. At the minimum, you really only use the
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David White - 14 May 2008 23:17 GMT
I agree that they are pretty limited and that the lack of conditionals
is less than optimal. As a programmer, I expect these sorts of things.
Perhaps my needs are not that complex. But I have managed.

> CM-11 macros suck! There are no conditionals. It takes an active computer to
> make it perform worth not getting up and manually turning on the lights.
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John J. Bengii - 15 May 2008 03:26 GMT
I use the timers inside the wireless remotes as a backup timer. The computer
smarts then decides how long the lamps are needed on and shut them off
sooner based on time of day.

On workdays and long weekends are always filtered out, save Good Friday (no
formulae can be determined) I have a 300w halogen that acts as a dawn box. A
self recursing  routine brightens the lamp by 5% every 3 minutes to wake us
up.

About a dozen wireless units operate various lights and tell the system
somebody is home. This determines how often the furnace fan cycles the air.

Right now my grass growing algorithym is taking place for new seed. Every
hour during daylight hours the seed gets 3 minutes of water on a sunny day
and only 2 minute every two hours on a dull day.

My security alarm flashes lots of light in the house, and all outside lamps
as well as the usual 30W siren.

Motion on a porch or deck flashes the deck light and rings a close inside
X10 ding dong to alert me on the deck for visitors being exposed to my naked
suntanning body.

Select times during the night and day if no motion has detected motion
(house empty) for some time every unit inside and outside is turned off in
case of random on codes or lazy humans.

I need the conditionals...LOL

>I agree that they are pretty limited and that the lack of conditionals is
>less than optimal. As a programmer, I expect these sorts of things. Perhaps
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JJ - 14 May 2008 22:10 GMT
> Hello JJ.
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>> Thanks,
I am currently using 1.42.  As far as the macros...I have tried to set up 3
modules to turn on at the same time and it never works.  None of them will
turn on.  They work individually, but not on the macro.  I thought I could
free up resources if I used the macro, but every time I try, nothing turns
on.  I have backpedaled and tried just 2 modules, then 1 module but the
macro does not work.  Any suggestions?  I mean it is simply drag and drop
the module into the macro.  I have tried standard and fast, but neither
works.

Joe J.
David White - 14 May 2008 23:29 GMT
>> Hello JJ.
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> Joe J.

If you are downloading macros into a CM11A and NOT leaving it connected
to your computer, I believe you MUST create FAST macros.

With my computer temporarily connected to my CM11A, I just created a
test fast macro on C1. To it I added my indoor lights (B2) and porch
lights (B5). No other changes. By default, the switch icons on the B2
and B5 are in the ON position and I leave them there. I right the macro
icon and choose Test. After a brief delay, both B2 and B5 get turned-on.

Does this work for you?

What is supposed to "trigger" your macro once it is downloaded? Are you
using a remote control, an AC line controller, or is it supposed to be
triggered by a timer?
JJ - 15 May 2008 14:47 GMT
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>> I am currently using 1.42.  As far as the macros...I have tried to set up
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> using a remote control, an AC line controller, or is it supposed to be
> triggered by a timer?

I drag the two modules I want into the fast macro.  Once I'm done, that
macro now appears as a "virtual wiring" macro module in lets say the living
room.  I give it time of day on/off settings just like a normal module, but
it never triggers the two I've dragged in there.  Am I supposed to turn the
two lamp modules on before I create the macro?
Thanks,
Joe J.
JJ - 15 May 2008 14:59 GMT
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Of course I download it after I'm done.
David White - 15 May 2008 16:03 GMT
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> Joe J.

Let's focus on what happens in the Macro Generator window (File|New Fast
Macro):

(a) I give the macro the code (B5) and a name (Test Macro).

(b) I drag my light (B2) and appliance (B3) modules onto the new macro.

(c) If I want to turn the modules ON, I make sure the switches on the
module icons from (b) are turned ON.

(d) If I want the macro triggered when B5 is signaled ON, I turn the
switch on the macro icon (a) is turned on. If it should be triggered
when B5 is signaled OFF, if flip the switch.

Now I close the macro generator window and I see the virtual wiring icon
called Test Macro. Then choose the menu Modules|Timer Settings... and
see the select module window.

(e) Double click the line that says Test Macro and see the Timer
Settings for Test Macro.

(f) First check that the checkbox (Store in interface) on the bottom
left is indeed checked. It must be to ensure that the macro gets
downloaded into the CM11A.

(g) I then set whatever day/date/time parameters, save the event, and
download into the CM11A.

Now, when I press the B5 on my mini controller or click the "macro" area
in the middle of the virtual wiring icon, the macro is triggered and
both B2 and B3 go on. Does this work for you? If so, then the macro is
indeed downloaded and is executing. If it fails to trigger on the timer,
then there must be something wrong with the day/date/time parameters.
Gene - 15 May 2008 01:18 GMT
I use Zeus after dumping Active Home.

http://www.zeushome.com/

> Hi all,
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> Thanks,
David White - 15 May 2008 01:27 GMT
Interesting. Does Zeus support download of macros into the CM11A? Or
must it always be running on a PC connected to a CM11A? The website does
not seem very clear on this. Thanks for the tip.

> I use Zeus after dumping Active Home.
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Gene - 15 May 2008 03:37 GMT
Yes, it will do that and has conditionals also.

> Interesting. Does Zeus support download of macros into the CM11A? Or must
> it always be running on a PC connected to a CM11A? The website does not
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>>> Thanks,
David White - 15 May 2008 01:31 GMT
I think I just found a reference to macro download on the Zeus New
Features page <http://www.zeushome.com/newfeats.html>.

> I use Zeus after dumping Active Home.
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>> Thanks,
 
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