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GolfNut - 13 Jun 2004 12:24 GMT help!! besides a fence...how do i keep the derr from eating my small trees and plants. i use liquid fence but that is sooo expensive. plus after a watering or rain, it's all gone.
is there a home remedy...some type of organic tea that i could brew to put on stuff or around it to keep the deer away. they are even going after "deer resistant" plants these days.
tw
Scruffy Dog - 14 Jun 2004 02:09 GMT There may be some special home brew but more than likely it would wash away as well.
I have heard of success with a big rubber or inflatable snake. A motion detector that turns on lights seems like it would work, though I don't know how expensive that would be and the deer might get used to it. Maybe play a tape of coyotes howling? It shouldn't be too expensive and wouldn't have to be too loud, I wouldn't think. Then there's an electric fence?
Alternatively, You could plant something they like better away from your trees and plants. Maybe they'll fill up before they get to the trees. Some kind of grass, oats, clover. Then again, this method might attract more deer.
Alan
Red - 14 Jun 2004 03:16 GMT I read the label on Liquid Fence and decided that I could do that and more. I use 5 dozen eggs, two quarts of whole milk, 10 oz of garlic powder. I have an old egg beater . I beat the eggs and half of the garlic and half of the milk and then put it in a 5 gal bucket. I add about a pint of Molasses. Seems the sugar is good for the mix. Then repeat with the rest of the eggs. Fill the Bucket up to about the 4 gallon level. Put this out in the sun for a week or two with a cover. You will have to strain this mixture when you are ready to use it, probably four or five times other wise the garlic will clog the sprayer. Use two quarts of this mixture in a 2 gallon sprayer along with a heaping tablespoon of Habanera powder http://www.redsavina.com/ you can buy it here. Then if you are really devoted, you can add a chemical which is the main ingredient on a lot to the repellents. http://12.98.152.21/induspro_test.htm check this out. This is the main ingredient in Ropel and other repellents. It is $200 for one Kilo but one tsp is strong enough to be detected in 1000 gals of water. If you look at the label on the deer repellent you will see that the concentration is about .05 % the rest is water. I also use a couple of tbs of Palmolive just for grins. And as long as I am spraying I use an once of Seaweed to the gallon.
As involved as all of this is, it only helps when conditions are good. When it dries out and there is not a lot of forage, the deer will eat anything and everything. During the extend dry period of last year they ate my prickle pear and everything else. GOOD LUCK
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> help!! besides a fence...how do i keep the derr from eating my small > trees and plants. i use liquid fence but that is sooo expensive. plus [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > tw Rusty Mase - 14 Jun 2004 18:03 GMT (snipped)
>I use 5 dozen eggs, two quarts of whole milk, 10 oz of garlic powder. Red, what does this stuff smell like?
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Bob - 14 Jun 2004 10:55 GMT "GolfNut" <> wrote in message
> help!! besides a fence...how do i keep the derr from eating my small > trees and plants. i use liquid fence but that is sooo expensive. plus [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > put on stuff or around it to keep the deer away. they are even going > after "deer resistant" plants these days. I have been fighting them for years - about ready to give up.
Fences don't work unless well over 6 feet high. Just today, I saw a doe in my back yard jump a six foot fence into my neighbor's yard.
Electric fences don't work. A few years ago, I put an electric fence around a garden. I used four runs of wire separated about 12 to 14 inches. Within a week, I saw a deer get onto the fence and get tangled, and the last I saw of most of the wire, it was trailing behind the deer as it ran off.
When I plant bushes or trees, I put a 4 foot fence around the plant, leaving room for the plant to grow. I stake it to the ground with 3 or 4 pieces of 3/8 inch rebar (cut to about 3 feet long). I keep the wire about a foot off the ground so I can mow and trim around it. If the bush/tree limbs start pushing through the wire, I may add bird netting over them. I leave this fence up for a few years until the tree is tall enough the deer can't reach the leaves or the bush is older and less tender (I suppose) and then I let the deer eat off the lower part they can reach, if they want to.
Sorry, I don't think there is a good answer to your problem except to get rid of the deer, and I don't know how to do that safely and/or legally.
Bob
John A. Keslick, Jr. - 21 Jun 2004 13:26 GMT The more logging the more deer are blamed on for the problem. The true problem is logging federal public land does not increase forest health but make parts of the once fertile forest to appear as pathogens. We are the pathogens.
> help!! besides a fence...how do i keep the derr from eating my small > trees and plants. i use liquid fence but that is sooo expensive. plus [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > tw Bill Hawk - 23 Jun 2004 01:55 GMT > The more logging the more deer are blamed on for the problem. The true > problem is logging federal public land does not increase forest health but > make parts of the once fertile forest to appear as pathogens. We are the > pathogens. John,
I would guess you are not in Austin, Texas - what limited cutting of trees we have in these parts could not be referred to as "logging" under the best of circumstances.
Clearing cedar and oak for development *may* contribute to the situation in the manner you suggest, but I don't think any of it is federal public land.
B.Server - 23 Jun 2004 18:18 GMT >The more logging the more deer are blamed on for the problem. The true >problem is logging federal public land does not increase forest health but [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> tw Best I can tell, the nearest "federal public land" is around 175-190 miles from here. I rather doubt that the vermin eating my garden are either refugees from there or that the condition of that federal land is germane to the issue.
Deer are genetically adapted to heavy predation and fluctuations in food supply. In a suburb filled with soft-headed bambi lovers and succulent vegetation that is missing any form of predator other than the occasional SUV, they will breed until they are thick as flies.
If you have, as I do, a moron living nearby that feeds the damned things 40# bags of corn, the only answer is venison. Unfortunately, achieving that is a little hard in suburbia.
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GeneS - 23 Jun 2004 18:51 GMT It's refreshing to read a post where someone has a clear grasp of reality - nice job.
We live on an old ranch, so we have a fair knowledge of deer and their habits. IMHO, there is only two ways to insure that they do not get into your garden, orchard, etc. The first is to erect a deer fence using the 10' (overall) T posts & 2 3/8" welded steel braces. This is your run-of-the-mill deer fence you see in the country. You are probably thinking, "Yeah, gonna build that in a subdivision, right?" The answer is "YES" - you can. My kids did it in a subdivision in Georgetown. They were a bit skeptical at first, but everyone loves it now. No deer, as well as dogs, bad guys, etc. can get in. The front (street side) is a 6'+ custom cedar design. The deer have not attempted to enter from the front. Here is the key "Run an irrigation line around the base of the 8' fence, plant evergreen vines, etc, & think of the entire 8' fence as a lush trellis." This design has cured so many problems, just use your imagination:-)
The second way, and one of my favorites, is Wick Fowler chili mix. http://www.foodlocker.com/twoalchilmix.html
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> >The more logging the more deer are blamed on for the problem. The true > >problem is logging federal public land does not increase forest health but [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > -- catalina - 24 Jun 2004 12:40 GMT > help!! besides a fence...how do i keep the derr from eating my small > trees and plants. i use liquid fence but that is sooo expensive. plus [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > tw Not sure how well this works, and maybe not so well in large areas, but there is a product called the "scarecrow" it is a motion activated sprinkler --- I bought one but it was shipped to me broken so I can't tell you yet how it works. You could always get an outside dog that chases them away (I discovered that the one I am petsitting at the moment enjoys doing that.)
GeneS - 24 Jun 2004 16:18 GMT Hmmm - if you wanted a good reliable way to turn on a sprinkler with a motion detection device, all you would have to do is connect a cheap irrigation timer device to a 110V screw-in plug that is in a cheap dual bulb motion sensing light. The outside motion sensing nightlight device could even turn on a spotlight, the sprinkler, and a noise making device - all instantly:-) I have not added up the cost, but I bet it's not much more than $50. I may be willing to pay to see the excitement!
BTW, if the 24V transformer to the sprinkler water valve will open with the 110VAC transformer on, then you will not even need the timer? But for < $20, I think I would just get a timer (computer) and set it to "always on" when 110VAC power is present.
Gene
> > help!! besides a fence...how do i keep the derr from eating my small > > trees and plants. i use liquid fence but that is sooo expensive. plus [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > away (I discovered that the one I am petsitting at the moment enjoys doing > that.) Nancy V. Lynch - 24 Jun 2004 16:55 GMT well, the famous remedy for keeping deer away is to pee on the ground you want to warn the deer away from. when i first moved to Texas and learned that deer could actually be considered pesky, i was pretty amused to read about a woman who was arrested for habitually trespassing and peeing on deliberate deer traps hunters set up on their property. good luck.
> Hmmm - if you wanted a good reliable way to turn on > a sprinkler with a motion detection device, all you would [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > away (I discovered that the one I am petsitting at the moment enjoys doing > > that.) GeneS - 24 Jun 2004 17:11 GMT That would certainly explain why you never see deer in beer-joint parking lots ...
> well, the famous remedy for keeping deer away is to pee on the ground you > want to warn the deer away from. when i first moved to Texas and learned [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > > away (I discovered that the one I am petsitting at the moment enjoys doing > > > that.) Slinky - 24 Jun 2004 18:33 GMT hang slivers of stinky deoderant bath detergent bars in old pantyhose feet. maul occasionally to keep the perfume stink fresh.
install deer fence.
rethink your landscape plan and install stuff the deer won't eat (yes, virginia, there are plenty of things they won't eat despite your experience to the contrary).
>> > help!! besides a fence...how do i keep the derr from eating my small >> > trees and plants. i use liquid fence but that is sooo expensive. plus [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > put on stuff or around it to keep the deer away. they are even going >> > after "deer resistant" plants these days. Mapanari - 24 Jun 2004 19:52 GMT > hang slivers of stinky deoderant bath detergent bars in old pantyhose > feet. maul occasionally to keep the perfume stink fresh. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > virginia, there are plenty of things they won't eat despite your > experience to the contrary). A 140# crossbow, some 4 bladed razor broadheads and a big chest freezer would take care of your deer problem lickety split.
So, when are you going to be barbecuing? Yum....
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B.Server - 26 Jun 2004 00:01 GMT [...]
>A 140# crossbow, some 4 bladed razor broadheads and a big chest freezer would >take care of your deer problem lickety split. > >So, when are you going to be barbecuing? Yum.... I have the freezer. Any suggestions for where to get a good deal on a crossbow? I was just thinking today that those fawns would almost exactly fit on the Weber spit....
Katra - 26 Jun 2004 06:07 GMT > [...] > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > crossbow? I was just thinking today that those fawns would almost > exactly fit on the Weber spit.... Crossbows:
http://www.crossbow-hunting-crossbows-excalibur.com/
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dt - 28 Jun 2004 21:34 GMT >>[...] >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://www.crossbow-hunting-crossbows-excalibur.com/ Man! I haven't read the game laws in *years*.
When did crossbows become legal for deer hunting in Texas???
DT
Wankatoa - 23 Jan 2008 03:51 GMT >>>[...] >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > DT Legal? You mean, you actually pay attention to laws?
Did you know that the number one cartridge that kills deer in America is the .22?
Not legal in any state.
A crossbow is a mercy killing for a deer. The impact and horrendeous internal blood loss kills quicker than a 30-06 through the lungs.
This is why Politicos are so afraid of crossbows...makes the perfect assination weapon. It will go through any Kevlar vest and even a near miss will kill a person quickly through shock and blood loss. And it's silent and almost as accurate up to almost the same range as a rifle.
And there are not ballistics forensics to prove. If you get rid of any arrows in the set immediately afterwards.
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Cool Whip - 23 Jan 2008 04:07 GMT [nothing worth reading]
Don't mind w.nker. When he's bored he responds to posts that are 3.5 years old.
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Victor Martinez - 23 Jan 2008 12:21 GMT > Don't mind w.nker. When he's bored he responds to posts that are > 3.5 years old. Is it a new troll? I can't recall the alias.
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Omelet - 23 Jan 2008 17:14 GMT > > Don't mind w.nker. When he's bored he responds to posts that are > > 3.5 years old. > > Is it a new troll? I can't recall the alias. I think, iirc, it's "Mapi"?
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Sqwertz - 23 Jan 2008 17:56 GMT >> Don't mind w.nker. When he's bored he responds to posts that are >> 3.5 years old. > > Is it a new troll? I can't recall the alias. AKA Mapi, Michael, God, and a few other nyms over the years. He's the guy that claims I drugged his drink and made him pass out at an austin.* get-together a few years ago.
"Cool Whip" from the last post is/was me.
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Omelet - 23 Jan 2008 19:15 GMT > >> Don't mind w.nker. When he's bored he responds to posts that are > >> 3.5 years old. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -sw Oh Geez!
Is he the same "GOD" that posts on talk.politics.guns?
I killfiled him after the first hour or so.
Talk about "Painfully stupid"! At least the Lone Weasel shows a bit of intelligence in his debates, regardless of whether or not I agree with him.
"GOD" needs to FOAD.
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Victor Martinez - 23 Jan 2008 22:25 GMT > AKA Mapi, Michael, God, and a few other nyms over the years. Ahh... yes. Thanks, I'll add it to my kill file right away. :)
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Omelet - 23 Jan 2008 17:13 GMT > >>>[...] > >>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > And there are not ballistics forensics to prove. If you get rid of any > arrows in the set immediately afterwards. They don't have anywhere near the range of a .308. Or even a .223.
There are very few "bullet proof" vests that will stop ANY rifle round.
Of any kind.
And I'd never try to kill a full sized deer with a .22 round. That'd be slow and cruel. Even with our itty bitty goat-sized Texas White Tails, it'd take a proper/lucky shot. :-(
Unless you are into miles of tracking...
But, I do agree with you that Crossbows are the perfect assassination weapon, due to their silence. They can't tell where the shot came from. That is why they tend to be regulated.
http://budk.com/default.asp?bhcd2=1201108434 sells a decent one for a reasonable price.
Along with extra "ammo.". <g>
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oldhickory - 23 Jan 2008 17:55 GMT I guess that's why Buffy and the "Scooby" gang used them to hunt vampires, huh?
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>> >>>[...] >> >>> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Along with extra "ammo.". <g> Omelet - 23 Jan 2008 19:13 GMT > I guess that's why Buffy and the "Scooby" gang used them to hunt vampires, > huh? Whatever works for you babe. I personally could never _stand_ Scooby Do".
The attempt at "comedy relief" was always painfully stupid.
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oldhickory - 24 Jan 2008 15:26 GMT Oh, actually I was referring to Buffy the Vampire Slayer...They referred to their little group as the "Scooby gang"...Mockingly, I think.
I never watched Scooby Do either --well once in a while I'd surf by and listen to the dog for a minute because it reminded me of my favorite great Dane, Comanche....
Buffy the Vampire Slayer was very different. I discovered it in reruns and watched the whole thing. It was a blast.
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>> I guess that's why Buffy and the "Scooby" gang used them to hunt >> vampires, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The attempt at "comedy relief" was always painfully stupid. Omelet - 24 Jan 2008 20:45 GMT > Oh, actually I was referring to Buffy the Vampire Slayer...They referred to > their little group as the "Scooby gang"...Mockingly, I think. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Buffy the Vampire Slayer was very different. I discovered it in reruns and > watched the whole thing. It was a blast. Buffy the Vampire Slayer was remarkably good. ;-) A pleasant surprise.
Just like "Charmed".
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Kathleen - 27 Jan 2008 10:43 GMT > And I'd never try to kill a full sized deer with a .22 round. That'd be > slow and cruel. Even with our itty bitty goat-sized Texas White Tails, > it'd take a proper/lucky shot. :-( > > Unless you are into miles of tracking... My 12yo shot her first buck this year with a .22 - very close range, perfect shot, and he dropped where he was standing.
With hope and heart, Kathleen
> But, I do agree with you that Crossbows are the perfect assassination > weapon, due to their silence. They can't tell where the shot came from. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Along with extra "ammo.". <g> Omelet - 27 Jan 2008 15:12 GMT > > And I'd never try to kill a full sized deer with a .22 round. That'd be > > slow and cruel. Even with our itty bitty goat-sized Texas White Tails, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > With hope and heart, > Kathleen Tell her well done. :-)
I'm decent with a rifle (including my favorite .22), but I just don't have the confidence to try something like that...
I don't like my food to suffer. I'm glad hers did not! Where did she hit him?
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Kathleen - 29 Jan 2008 02:14 GMT >> My 12yo shot her first buck this year with a .22 - very close range, >> perfect [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I don't like my food to suffer. I'm glad hers did not! > Where did she hit him? -- Mark Twain
She got him right behind the eye, a little 3 point. Tasty meat. She was sad she didn't get the 11 point that she had been watching, but I am glad for tender meat in the freezer.
I want to take some self defence /target practice lessons somewhere. I think it would be good for both of us, without DH around. With hope and heart, Kathleen
PS. The ligustrum continues to thrive. DH mistakenly planted it about 6 months ago where I didn't want it, but I let him live and let it stay. I look forward to it getting bigger and lush like the one the people down the street have.
Omelet - 30 Jan 2008 17:00 GMT > She got him right behind the eye, a little 3 point. A head shot! Impressive. ;-)
> Tasty meat. She was > sad she didn't get the 11 point that she had been watching, but I am glad > for tender meat in the freezer. It was more tender and tasty than an 11 point would have been. <g> Y'all would have been making sausage.
> I want to take some self defence /target practice lessons somewhere. I > think it would be good for both of us, without DH around. > With hope and heart, > Kathleen I'm not a pro' teacher, but I'd be delighted to spend some time at Deitz's range with y'all in New Braunfels.
For pro' training, look here: http://www.krtraining.com/
They are remarkably affordable. :-)
> PS. The ligustrum continues to thrive. DH mistakenly planted it about 6 > months ago where I didn't want it, but I let him live and let it stay. I > look forward to it getting bigger and lush like the one the people down the > street have. I always have more of those! <lol>
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Kathleen - 31 Jan 2008 04:46 GMT > She got him right behind the eye, a little 3 point. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > They are remarkably affordable. :-) thank you, I will keep that in mind!! Hugs, Kathleen
>> PS. The ligustrum continues to thrive. DH mistakenly planted it about >> 6 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I always have more of those! <lol> Mapanari - 24 Jun 2004 19:51 GMT "GeneS" <genes@thegateway.net> you babbled and gurglednews:4hCCc.59 $e16.23209@monger.newsread.com:
>> > help!! besides a fence...how do i keep the derr from eating my small >> > trees and plants. i use liquid fence but that is sooo expensive. plus [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > >> > tw I suggest you rent "The Trouble with Tribbles" from Star Trek to get a better idea of how to handle your deer problem.
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GeneS - 29 Jun 2004 00:34 GMT This method will work 100% of the time: http://members.thegateway.net/genes/Misc/CrossLakeGator1.JPG http://members.thegateway.net/genes/Misc/CrossLakeGator2.JPG
> > help!! besides a fence...how do i keep the derr from eating my small > > trees and plants. i use liquid fence but that is sooo expensive. plus [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > away (I discovered that the one I am petsitting at the moment enjoys doing > that.) dt - 30 Jun 2004 21:44 GMT > This method will work 100% of the time: > http://members.thegateway.net/genes/Misc/CrossLakeGator1.JPG > http://members.thegateway.net/genes/Misc/CrossLakeGator2.JPG Ok, Gene, I gotta ask: *Where* did you get those pictures????
DT
GeneS - 30 Jun 2004 23:59 GMT Lake Travis
LOL - a friend sent them to me. I "assume" they did not come from this area:-) My best guess is Cross Lake in Caddo Parish, Louisiana.
Gene
> > This method will work 100% of the time: > > http://members.thegateway.net/genes/Misc/CrossLakeGator1.JPG [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > DT B.Server - 03 Jul 2004 00:17 GMT
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