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Homeowner Forum / Lawn and Garden / September 2006snail repellent
On the tv gardening program 'Vasilis Garden' on Ch 31 (a community tv channel here in Sydney), the host described how to make a snail repellent spray. He collected about 15 live snails, crushed them in a saucepan and added a litre of hot water. This was boiled for 10 minutes, allowed to cool and the liquid strained into a spray bottle. He then sprayed this liquid over the foliage of garden seedlings and on the outside of pots, anywhere that he wanted snails repelled from. I'm describing this in case someone with a snail problem cares to try it and can let the rest of us know whether it works. I'm skeptical but open minded. :) One final word: one of her good kitchen saucepans might not be the wisest choice... -- John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) > On the tv gardening program 'Vasilis Garden' on Ch 31 (a community tv > channel here in Sydney), the host described how to make a snail [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) Sounds like how they create biological weapons... | On the tv gardening program 'Vasilis Garden' on Ch 31 (a community tv | channel here in Sydney), the host described how to make a snail [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] | -- | John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) If you're talking about usual garden snails then they are edible. Putting them in a pan with hot water would make soup. :) Kimberly >If you're talking about usual garden snails then they are edible. Putting >them in a pan with hot water would make soup. :) So, add garlic and butter to taste. Bon apetite!!  SignatureJohn Savage (my news address is not valid for email) "John Savage" <rookswood@suburbian.com.au> wrote in message > On the tv gardening program 'Vasilis Garden' on Ch 31 (a community tv > channel here in Sydney), the host described how to make a snail [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > One final word: one of her good kitchen saucepans might not be the wisest > choice... That's a completely new twist on an old recipe. Dunno if I like the sound of boiling the snails. The more usual way to make this spray for any insect pest is to collect the bug that is to be destroyed, to put it in her blender, add cold water then blend it and then to leave the resulant stew to ferment for a few days before straining and then using the strained juice on the plant which had the problem bug. In article <45095ee1$0$7332$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, > That's a completely new twist on an old recipe. Dunno if I like the > sound of boiling the snails. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ferment for a few days before straining and then using the strained > juice on the plant which had the problem bug. Does this actually work? I'd like to try it with cabbage worms...... SignaturePeace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson >Does this actually work? >I'd like to try it with cabbage worms...... It's hit or miss; if some of your cabbage worms are already infected with BT, you'll spread it around to the others, which is good. The commercial BT wettable powder works well for me. Of course, some of the GM products out are actively breeding BT resistant bugs, so farmers will have to use the [unnamed chemical company, without whom profits themselves would be impossible] products. But that's just my opinion. I may be wrong. Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G > >Does this actually work? > >I'd like to try it with cabbage worms...... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I may be wrong. Anyone that trusts Monsanto is a fool.... If the only reason to do this is to harvest BT, it'd be less trouble just to buy it. ;-) I understand it's not expensive. I've honestly never tried it but I think it's about time I did. SignaturePeace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in > > That's a completely new twist on an old recipe. Dunno if I like the > > sound of boiling the snails. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Does this actually work? :-))) I only have one blender so there is NO way I'm going to try it till I can find another blender cheap in a second hand shop. It's touted to work by the organic mob (or is it the biodynamic??? or perhaps I've read of it in Jackie French's books???). It does make some sense to me though. The smell of a fellow humans rotting remains would be enough to turn me off going near a place so I suspect that it may just work with bugs. > I'd like to try it with cabbage worms...... Let me know how it works please ;-))) "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message > I'd like to try it with cabbage worms...... Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is already taken by another cabbage butterfly. In article <45097a37$0$7320$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is > already taken by another cabbage butterfly. That sounds interesting... I've never seen the actual butterflies. These are the little bastards that killed my horseradish and did a number on my chard and brocolli: http://tinypic.com/2zjgpaa.jpg The largest was maybe 1" long at most. I killed dozens of them but I had to get them at dawn and dusk. They were so destructive so fast! I lost the horseradish but managed to save the other stuff. I just killed everything by hand. The chickens I had at the time feasted happily. <G> SignaturePeace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message > > Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white > > cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. (snip) > That sounds interesting... > I've never seen the actual butterflies. > These are the little bastards that killed my horseradish and did a > number on my chard and brocolli: > > http://tinypic.com/2zjgpaa.jpg Pretty sure that is them but it's been a year or more since I've seen any. Last year I tried the opaque plastic fake butterfly trick and didn't ahve any probs with my broccoli. In article <450ccd7d$0$7309$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > any. Last year I tried the opaque plastic fake butterfly trick and > didn't ahve any probs with my broccoli. Hm. I'll have to try that this fall...... Thanks! SignaturePeace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is > already taken by another cabbage butterfly. what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks >>"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks It may not work. Ive seen them come through in flocks and it doesnt seem to deter them... "peter" <paxwax3@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > "Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote in message > > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks One more trick. I put the little fake butterflys on the tiny bamboo sate sticks then push these sticks into the tops of bigger bamboo staking sticks. > "peter" <paxwax3@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message >> "Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > sate sticks then push these sticks into the tops of bigger bamboo > staking sticks. Just remember if you try this to watch your eyes. Is far better to use something like the plastic bread bag sealer thingos and to cover any sharp bits. Richard >Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white >cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is >already taken by another cabbage butterfly. Why bother making plastic b'flies? Just catch some real ones, add a dab of wood glue and fix them to the end of sticks that you can move around your plants as needed! That way you reduce the population of moths into the bargain! But I admit the real ones are not as rain resistant as the plastic replicas. I think you are right about them being territorial. I recall many a time seeing a white moth lazily bobbing around my father's cabbage patch until it neared another when one would zoom into the path of the first until they seemed to momentarily collide and then one would leap away to put some distance between them. At the time I assumed I was witnessing an attempt at romance, and subsequent rebuff, but now that you have pointed it out, this behaviour could have been a moth protecting its patch. For Australian readers: Noisy miner and Indian mynah birds just love catching moths on the wing. Currawongs are good at it, too. SignatureJohn Savage (my news address is not valid for email) "John Savage" <rookswood@suburbian.com.au> wrote in > >Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white > >cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > bargain! But I admit the real ones are not as rain resistant as the plastic > replicas. I'll bet you took the wings off flies as a youngster :-))) It took about 3 minutes to cut up a milk carton and put a few spots of texta on. It would have taken much more time for me to try to catch the blighters. > For Australian readers: Noisy miner and Indian mynah birds just love > catching moths on the wing. Currawongs are good at it, too. But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The mongrel bastards eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols. BTW, the aphids have arrived and still not a sign of any ants anywhere near the roses but the wrens are very active. In article <4515fa47$0$26444$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, > But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The mongrel > bastards eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols. > BTW, the aphids have arrived and still not a sign of any ants anywhere > near the roses but the wrens are very active. A good way to increase your local wren population is to provide them with nesting sites. A lot of my birdhouse gourd houses are occupied every year, sometimes twice in a season. :-) Easy to make too. I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some? SignaturePeace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompomelet@removespam.gmail.com> wrote in message > > But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The mongrel > > bastards eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some? Thanks for the generous offer Om. Are you in Australia? If not then I must sadly decline due to quarantine concerns. However, I'm sure that the problem isn't breeding, we have lots odfine leaved shrubs and bushes and each year we have babies. It's just that the sodding Currawongs are such efficient and effective killers. We went away for 3 days and when we came back we both noticed how much the small bird population had dropped. We keep an eye on the Currawongs when we are here and "discourage" them for being aroudn. >>A good way to increase your local wren population is to provide them >>with nesting sites. A lot of my birdhouse gourd houses are occupied [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks for the generous offer Om. Are you in Australia? If not then > I must sadly decline due to quarantine concerns. Look at some of the gourds offered by Eden Seeds. http://www.edenseeds.com.au alphabetical, then G for gourds. (search for gourds didn't work) you might need to hand pollinate as well (like pumpkins). We grew one of their Large gourds (bottle) last years, but it wasn't pollinated and remained small and eventually rotted away.had However, I'm sure > that the problem isn't breeding, we have lots odfine leaved shrubs and > bushes and each year we have babies. It's just that the sodding > Currawongs are such efficient and effective killers. Hmm, if you have stuff like cotoneaster, pycantha, etc locally, do all you can to get rid of them. It is believed these are part of the reason, currowangs overwinter on these and thus survive in greater numbers for spring. You also might like to observer if the small leaved stuff is actually protecting the small birds or if the currawongs "enter" the shrtubs in pursuit. chicken wire cage it or spiny pshrubs (bursaria) "Terryc" <newsonespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message > > Thanks for the generous offer Om. Are you in Australia? If not then > > I must sadly decline due to quarantine concerns. > > Look at some of the gourds offered by Eden Seeds. > http://www.edenseeds.com.au > alphabetical, then G for gourds. (search for gourds didn't work) Thanks for that. Found'em. > you might need to hand pollinate as well (like pumpkins). Will keep that in mind. > However, I'm sure > > that the problem isn't breeding, we have lots odfine leaved shrubs and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > currowangs overwinter on these and thus survive in greater numbers for > spring. The sodding things live in the huge pinewind breaks around the machinery shed and shearing shed and the perimeters of the paddocks out from our house. They have lots of road kill to keep them going all year round. We must have at least 100 round here - probably more. At least they aren't the only birds we have. We saw a stunning little kingfisher today. It wasn't an Azure kingfisher and I haven't been able to find it in the 2 bird books I've looked at so far but it was gorgeous - rarer than some of the other birds we have though. > You also might like to observer if the small leaved stuff is actually > protecting the small birds They do protect them, thankfully. Too shrubby and twiggy and lots of it but the currawongs sit on the big trees and watch like proverbial hawks. The currawongs have now become very cautious. Walking out of the house with a gun makes then take off quick smart but we can't be here to protect the little birds all the time and they need to come out to feed at times when we aren't around. In article <45170bcb$0$15609$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompomelet@removespam.gmail.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > bushes and each year we have babies. It's just that the sodding > Currawongs are such efficient and effective killers. Don't think I've never sent seeds to Australia. ;-) One just has to have the "knack" if you know what I mean. Seriously, contact me off line. The beauty of birdhouse gourds is that you can control the hole size and keep the killers out and protect the young. House wrens are pretty tiny. Of course, you can use just about any gourd, or build some small bird houses. It's just that the gourds are convenient and easy, and fast. One of my most valuable items is time it seems! Hence the "pop up" greenhouses I have. Spent maybe 1 hour max erecting each one and putting in the shelving. > We went away for 3 days and when we came back we both noticed how much > the small bird population had dropped. We keep an eye on the > Currawongs when we are here and "discourage" them for being aroudn. Are you allowed to own an air rifle? Around here, those are not classified as a firearm. Squirrel is delicious. Can't help but wonder the same about Currawongs? ;-) SignaturePeace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompomelet@removespam.gmail.com> wrote in message > > > I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Don't think I've never sent seeds to Australia. ;-) > One just has to have the "knack" if you know what I mean. I know it has been done but as I live on a farm and we derive part of our income from the land, I'm very conscious of the quarantine laws. I'd never do anything to contravene them. In fact I will vote against any government who tries to endanger our environment by chanhing our import laws as a result of sodding globalisation. Thanks again Om but since Teryc gave a site for them in Aus, I know I'll be able to get them locally. It's a good firm and I've used them before. > Of course, you can use just about any gourd, or build some small bird > houses. It's just that the gourds are convenient and easy, and fast. How do you make the nest? One > of my most valuable items is time it seems! Hence the "pop up" > greenhouses I have. Spent maybe 1 hour max erecting each one and putting > in the shelving. Now that too sounds interesting. What is it and how do you make them. > > We went away for 3 days and when we came back we both noticed how much > > the small bird population had dropped. We keep an eye on the > > Currawongs when we are here and "discourage" them for being aroudn. > > Are you allowed to own an air rifle? Around here, those are not > classified as a firearm. I've got a gun licence and guns so that isn't a problem. I suspect that shooting Currawongs isn't allowed and a lead slug just makes then squark but............ > Squirrel is delicious. Can't help but wonder the same about Currawongs? Some of the real old timers round here have eaten just about anything (like crows) but I've not heard of them eating currawongs. They'd probably be most like a crow in taste and size. I think I'll stick to real meat :-)) In article <4518e7ed$0$15639$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, > > Of course, you can use just about any gourd, or build some small > bird > > houses. It's just that the gourds are convenient and easy, and fast. > > How do you make the nest? The bird builds it's own nest inside. Just carve the hole small enough so the Currawong cannot get inside and the bird still can. Make sure the nesting space is at lest 6 cm. deep and drill 3 drain holes in the bottom for when it rains. They will build on top of the drains but it does not plug them. I don't have any pics on hand right now, sorry. I cut a hole for the birds, drain holes in the bottom and stick a screwed in eye bolt in the top for hanging, and hang them up between 5 and 6 ft. up. Mine seem to go for the lower ones. > One > > of my most valuable items is time it seems! Hence the "pop up" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Now that too sounds interesting. What is it and how do you make them. I got them from here: http://tinyurl.com/kfmd9 Do a google search using "dreamhouse greenhouse" and see if you can find one locally. > > Are you allowed to own an air rifle? Around here, those are not > > classified as a firearm. > > I've got a gun licence and guns so that isn't a problem. I suspect > that shooting Currawongs isn't allowed and a lead slug just makes then > squark but............ Follow the 3S rule...... ;-) > > Squirrel is delicious. Can't help but wonder the same about > Currawongs? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > probably be most like a crow in taste and size. I think I'll stick to > real meat :-)) <lol> SignaturePeace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompomelet@removespam.gmail.com> wrote in message > > How do you make the nest? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > screwed in eye bolt in the top for hanging, and hang them up between 5 > and 6 ft. up. Mine seem to go for the lower ones. Thanks for the instructions Om. > > > the "pop up" > > > greenhouses > > Now that too sounds interesting. What is it and how do you make them. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Do a google search using "dreamhouse greenhouse" and see if you can find > one locally. Looks great. Unfortunately not available locally. :-(( > > I've got a gun licence and guns so that isn't a problem. I suspect > > that shooting Currawongs isn't allowed and a lead slug just makes then > > squark but............ > > Follow the 3S rule...... ;-) Yes :-)) I was telling a friend that rule today in relation to a cat problem she has. In article <451a2ded$0$15637$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, > > I cut a hole for the birds, drain holes in the bottom and stick a > > screwed in eye bolt in the top for hanging, and hang them up between > 5 > > and 6 ft. up. Mine seem to go for the lower ones. > > Thanks for the instructions Om. Glad I could help! > > I got them from here: > > http://tinyurl.com/kfmd9 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Looks great. Unfortunately not available locally. :-(( I wonder tho' if the promised free shipping on most sites that sell these includes your location? :-) > > > I've got a gun licence and guns so that isn't a problem. I > suspect [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yes :-)) I was telling a friend that rule today in relation to a cat > problem she has. Indeed... Works for most any "pest" iykwim??? <G> SignaturePeace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson "Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> writes: >But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The mongrel >bastards eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols. It's a good question, but I can't think of any legal methods for getting rid of currawongs. Being native, they would be a protected species, too. I expect the best you can do is to eliminate (or net) fruiting trees and berry bushes, to feed your cats/dogs indoors so there is no leftover food for the currawongs, the same goes if you put out food for birds, and to put netting over all water sources so only the small birds can get in to drink. Water sources include dripping garden taps, hoses, and even roof gutters that are so warped they store water after showers or heavy dew. Lawn sprinklers provide birds with drinking water, but as most of Oz is in drought, I suppose you are not using lawn sprinklers, but if you are maybe you could limit their use to nighttime? Then when you've attended to all those measures on your property, do the same at your neighbours' places for a mile around! Currawongs typically nest high up in leafy trees, so your getting to their nest is out of the question, usually. -- John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) |
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